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I thought it was the soft suspension that limited the JLU to 3500# towing. The soft suspension is what makes the Jeep great of road but doesn’t allow much tongue weight.
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I currently have a JT (and a TJ). I wanted a JLU but needed to safely tow 3.5k. I'm very interested in the new 5k rating. I wouldn't have to use an empty truck bed 6 months a year.

Did the reveal say if Rubi + Float + 2.0Turbo was supported?
 

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This is the axle that Dana has converted to full float:

Ultimate Dana 44™: Built Tough for Off-Road.
From the Spicer® nickel chromoly steel axle shafts.

  • Thicker tubes
    • 5/16" thick for improved strength, rigidity, and durability
  • Redesigned and thicker brackets
    • 1/4" steel to resist bending and endure the off-road environment
    • Works with most lift kits
  • Spicer® chromoly axle shafts for optimal strength and performance
  • Genuine Spicer® gearing
    • Precision design and manufacturing processes provide ultimate gear mating for optimal strength, life, and quiet performance
    • Expanded aftermarket gear ratios: 3.73, 4.10, 4.56, 4.88, 5.13, and 5.38
  • Pinion angle optimized for lifting vehicles
  • Increased gross axle weight rating (GAWR) allows for the added weight of suspension upgrades, bumpers, winches and larger tires (up through 37" tires)
  • Improved caster angle for lifted Jeeps®
    • Reduces "bump steer"
  • Dana recommends using military tested and approved 75W-140 synthetic lube (not included)
 

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I fully believe it has been 5k on the 4 doors all along as in England the current JLs are rated at 5k. They have less restrictions to an extent on certain vehicle functions. So we either had a government policy change here recently in the states or there is truly something in regards to the new axles.
Europeans differ in how that rate towing capacity. They do so with less tongue weight. Trailers are set to 50/50 weight balance. But they are required to travel at slower speeds.
 

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Europeans differ in how that rate towing capacity. They do so with less tongue weight. Trailers are set to 50/50 weight balance. But they are required to travel at slower speeds.
Here in CA we have the same 55mph trailer speed limit, our JLUs can obviously safely tow 5500lbs at those speeds as they do so in half the world. I doubt the 50/50 trailer weight balance, that would result in massively more tongue weight and the Jeep already squats bad if you run 10% tongue weight on a 3500lb trailer. If they actually run less tongue weight than 10%, I think the tail wagging the dog is very likely with a 5500lb load. I don't personally tow with the jeep, as my truck is a much better tow vehicle, but I'd have no problem hitching up a 5k lb trailer if I needed to.
 

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Here in CA we have the same 55mph trailer speed limit, our JLUs can obviously safely tow 5500lbs at those speeds as they do so in half the world. I doubt the 50/50 trailer weight balance, that would result in massively more tongue weight and the Jeep already squats bad if you run 10% tongue weight on a 3500lb trailer. If they actually run less tongue weight than 10%, I think the tail wagging the dog is very likely with a 5500lb load. I don't personally tow with the jeep, as my truck is a much better tow vehicle, but I'd have no problem hitching up a 5k lb trailer if I needed to.
The rest of the US does not have the same 55mph speed limit. Manufacturers have to rate based on the whole country. 50/50 results in less tongue weight than 60/40 we use in the states. But yes tail wagging the dog at speeds over 60 mph is the reason we don’t follow the same ratings.
 

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The rest of the US does not have the same 55mph speed limit. Manufacturers have to rate based on the whole country.
Agree, but if you need to move a 5k lb trailer, slow down and you're clearly good to go. I'd also argue that the new FF axle does nothing to the tow rating between 55mph and 80mph and thus in reality our JLUs have just been under rated all along?
 

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Agree, but if you need to move a 5k lb trailer, slow down and you're clearly good to go. I'd also argue that the new FF axle does nothing to the tow rating between 55mph and 80mph and thus in reality our JLUs have just been under rated all along?
I agree the axles have little to nothing to do with the change. I was just explaining the difference in how the States and the Euros do it.
 

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That would be pretty cool if we're able to easily retrofit them to existing D44 rears. Can't wait to see more info come out
From the cross sectional view, it looks possible.
It could be done, but not easily. The housings ends are quite different, with a much larger inner bore to accommodate the unit bearing hub.


Agree, but if you need to move a 5k lb trailer, slow down and you're clearly good to go. I'd also argue that the new FF axle does nothing to the tow rating between 55mph and 80mph and thus in reality our JLUs have just been under rated all along?
All Euro spec towing info aside.....

A full float axle carries the weight of the vehicle with two bearings now instead of the single bearing in the semi-float.
 

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Agree, but if you need to move a 5k lb trailer, slow down and you're clearly good to go. I'd also argue that the new FF axle does nothing to the tow rating between 55mph and 80mph and thus in reality our JLUs have just been under rated all along?
Tow ratings in the U.S. are fairly rigorous: https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1502-sae-j2807-tow-tests-the-standard/

Keep in mind that in the past the JLUs have all had the same tow rating. Now the Rubicon will have its own rating. The Rubicon has larger brakes than the Sport, which is one factor that might allow differentiation on the tow rating. The new grille may also allow more cooling, which also allows a higher tow rating.
 
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Tow ratings in the U.S. are fairly rigorous: https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1502-sae-j2807-tow-tests-the-standard/

Keep in mind that in the past the JLUs have all had the same tow rating. Now the Rubicon will have its own rating. The Rubicon has larger brakes than the Sport, which is one factor that might allow differentiation on the tow rating. The new grille may also allow more cooling, which also allows a higher tow rating.
There is no way you'll convince me that a sport with 3.45 gears, weaker axles, softer suspension, softer shocks ever had the same tow rating as a diesel or XR Rubicon due to a grill change? Jeep saved money on the testing by having all models certified the same and left it at that. The cooling argument is weak, especially if you've been to Australia. The same Jeep can tow 5500lbs in 120⁰weather up hill there but in flat Florida that averages 80⁰ the cooling system is the limit? I think not. Even if the cooling system is the limit if you're trying to roll 80mph up a grade out of Albuquerque in 110⁰ weather, slow down? They didn't make a change for 2024 that would make the Rubicon any better at safely towing 5klbs than current models in my opinion. We aren't seeing bent rear axles from the thousands of us running 37"+ tires and wheeling them hard. Market demand pushed them to certify for a higher tow rating on the models that could have been certified higher already.
 

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Well for thoes of us that already have a d44 trused with chromoly axle shafts and gears. The week point is the gears on the pinon not the axle shaft. If anything some times i have seen chromoly shafts braking on the diff side. When you go to a 4.88 or 5.13 the pinion gear gets really small and has less surface area on the gears to distribute the tq.​
 
 







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