New EPA Rules

[scorpionsix]

Just wait until a Gavin Newsome type moves into The People's House and outlaws diesel. Along with gas operated lawn mowers, weed trimmers, leaf blowers, plastic straws (nevermind, forget that last one).

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[azjl#3]

I will buy a new jeep just to get rid of start stop

 

[Dusty Dude]

And you're a perfect example of why consumer diesels continue to soldier on in the daily fleets. Unmolested the 4-bangers are great for dailies. They're especially popular in europe due to the cheaper fuel running costs.

Unfortunately the modern ones have so much emission equipment that reliability becomes a shit storm of random failures waiting to happen. You can delete it all, sure, but it's highly illegal.

Two of my colleagues bought a 2005 VW Jetta diesel instead of a Prius for their commutes into Chicago. One lived in the far west suburbs and the other was in NW Indiana. They were consistently getting between 50-55 MPG. When the newer models came out with the extra emissions equipment, word got out quickly that mileage and power suffered…

 

[Dusty Dude]

I will buy a new jeep just to get rid of start stop

Then you will be replacing start stop that you can control for a remote kill switch that you have no control over.

 

[scorpionsix]

Two of my colleagues bought a 2005 VW Jetta diesel instead of a Prius for their commutes into Chicago. One lived in the far west suburbs and the other was in NW Indiana. They were consistently getting between 50-55 MPG. When the newer models came out with the extra emissions equipment, word got out quickly that mileage and power suffered…

I don't remember the MPG figures but in the 80s the old man would drive a VW Golf diesel to work when he didn't need his F150. That thing never blew any smoke. It was the old glow plug style - had to be plugged in overnight when the temps got low enough. Never had an issue with it.

 

[azjl#3]

Don't know if this made news yet, epa dropped manufacturers needing to add start stop, and will get no credit for it.

 

[ALeeL]

I will buy a new jeep just to get rid of start stop

The Trump Administration Is Killing Auto-Start/Stop

 

[Twisted10]

No, you can want a big house, big V8, big gun, big boat, big truck, big d***, etc.... but when it comes to a diesel, you have to need one to own one. Them's the rules... according to people who don't own diesels.

they can suck my big d...

 

[alphawolff]

Don't know if this made news yet, epa dropped manufacturers needing to add start stop, and will get no credit for it.

Correct. The issue becomes a "what will it cost to re-tool the production line?" or "delete" the stop start wiring setup.

For the JL it's relatively easy to figure out and push to production, especially considering we already have non stop/start engine variations. On the normal 3.6L you just need a jumper between n1&n2 then call it a day.

 

[Ratbert]

Don't know if this made news yet, epa dropped manufacturers needing to add start stop, and will get no credit for it.

The EPA dropped them from needing something that was never mandated?

 

[TikiRick]

The EPA dropped them from needing something that was never mandated?

It was never "mandated", but manufacturers got credit toward their emissions requirements if the vehicles they produced included the start/stop feature. The new rules eliminate that credit, so no reason for manufacturers to continue to include it.

 

[Ratbert]

It was never "mandated", but manufacturers got credit toward their emissions requirements if the vehicles they produced included the start/stop feature. The new rules eliminate that credit, so no reason for manufacturers to continue to include it.

Ok, so you're agreeing with me that manufacturers never needed to add it, even though people seem to think it was mandated.

 

[TikiRick]

Ok, so you're agreeing with me that manufacturers never needed to add it, even though people seem to think it was mandated.

Not trying to argue with you, just stating the facts of the matter. As I said previously, it was never an actual mandate...manufacturers could choose NOT to add the start/stop functionality, forgo the credits, and pay substantially more money to buy absolution from the EPA, which would negatively impact their profitability and raise the price of cars for all of us (that would be a stupid choice)...or bend to the EPA and add the functionality.

Since all manufacturers went this route, it makes sense that people think it was an actual mandate....

Now that there is no longer any benefit to the manufacturer to continue to include this functionality, and most drivers prefer not to have it, it will likely go away.

 

[bthomp]

Just wait until a Gavin Newsome type moves into The People's House and outlaws diesel. Along with gas operated lawn mowers, weed trimmers, leaf blowers, plastic straws (nevermind, forget that last one).

Yup. Some people may disagree with this perspective but all one has to do is look at decisions that get made. And you forgot gas stoves.

if I was an auto manufacturer I wouldn’t make any long term changes to my strategy as a result of the EPA changes here. They will almost certainly be short lived (whether you like the change or not). Dial up the V8 assembly line, and plan to dial it back down again in about 18 months. (Kindve like what we’re seeing with the 392 everything strategy).

 

[Bayrat]

Not all manufacturers used that obnoxious feature.

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