New EPA Rules

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https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/ad...sures-address-diesel-exhaust-fluid-def-issues

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[WillysMeow]

Good, about time! I don't like unnecessary pollution but DEF simply delays the inevitable release of it, therefore wasteful and stupid add on to diesel engines.

 

[Twisted10]

 

[ALeeL]

The part of me that works at a heavy duty truck dealer group, there goes a cash cow for our business while also being a major headache with DEF sensors constantly on backorder.

The part of me outside of work that thinks the EPA regulations are getting too stringent too soon, this is great.

 

[TrueNorthJL]

It's interesting that the EPA has carte blanche authority to re-write or cancel all/any emissions regulations presently, but they've left DEF / SCR requirements in place. All this is doing is adding additional time/mileage until engine shutdown, complete limp-mode if an SCR problem is detected.

This is a good thing, yeah, but people who expect the EPA to be cancelled are going to be disappointed.

 

[grimmjeeper]

The part of me that works at a heavy duty truck dealer group, there goes a cash cow for our business while also being a major headache with DEF sensors constantly on backorder.

The part of me outside of work that thinks the EPA regulations are getting too stringent too soon, this is great.

Long term, it's probable the regulations will change agan before the decade is out.

I do agree that immediate crippling of vehicles on a failure is beyond dangerous. It's not unlike using a howitzer to swat a fly. It's completely out of line with just about every other emissions failure. It should just set a code and turn on a check engine light. Maybe, at most, not let you restart after a couple of times.

 

[ALeeL]

Long term, it's probable the regulations will change agan before the decade is out.

I do agree that immediate crippling of vehicles on a failure is beyond dangerous. It's not unlike using a howitzer to swat a fly. It's completely out of line with just about every other emissions failure. It should just set a code and turn on a check engine light.

They already are. We are gearing up for the 2027 heavy duty truck emissions and this one reduces NOx by 80%, even though current NOx standard is 30 times more stringent than the rest of the world.

 

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Long term, it's probable the regulations will change agan before the decade is out.

I do agree that immediate crippling of vehicles on a failure is beyond dangerous. It's not unlike using a howitzer to swat a fly. It's completely out of line with just about every other emissions failure. It should just set a code and turn on a check engine light. Maybe, at most, not let you restart after a couple of times.

The mandate from the feds is for manufacturers to have a software flash for current vehicles, so even if the rules change back it will be dependent on owners to revisit the dealer for a reversal. Good luck with that.

 

[alphawolff]

"Here's an engine that is so environmentally unfriendly we need 20k in emissions equipment to reasonably allow it on the road. Also, the equipment breaks all the time."

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

By now all policies with regards to diesel vehicles for consumers should be gone. But they’re not. And instead is just this slow poke BS half-assery that’s being done. Guess it was just a bunch of empty promises after all.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Guess it was just a bunch of empty promises after all.

 

[Kyanche]

"Here's an engine that is so environmentally unfriendly we need 20k in emissions equipment to reasonably allow it on the road. Also, the equipment breaks all the time."

Yea I sit here reading this stuff thinking "did nobody grow up back in the days when every other truck or bus had a screaming jimmy barfing out black smoke every time it took off from a red light?"

Those things were noisy and stinky and polluted the air like crazy. Nothing like getting crop dusted by the city bus.

Why on EARTH would anyone want to go back to that?

 

[driventoadventure]

Yea I sit here reading this stuff thinking "did nobody grow up back in the days when every other truck or bus had a screaming jimmy barfing out black smoke every time it took off from a red light?"

Those things were noisy and stinky and polluted the air like crazy. Nothing like getting crop dusted by the city bus.

Why on EARTH would anyone want to go back to that?

Bekuz r freedumz r n jeperdy!

Seriously though, because ignorant buffoon snowflakes think that their feelings and sticking their head in the sand is an adequate solution to a problem they don't want to admit exists.

 

[alphawolff]

Yea I sit here reading this stuff thinking "did nobody grow up back in the days when every other truck or bus had a screaming jimmy barfing out black smoke every time it took off from a red light?"

Those things were noisy and stinky and polluted the air like crazy. Nothing like getting crop dusted by the city bus.

Why on EARTH would anyone want to go back to that?

Diesels should be regulated to working vehicles over a certain tonnage. Putting them in generic daily vehicles is a massive misappropriation of design function.

The amount of people that buy the biggest truck they can afford, then never use it for anything remotely close to its intended purpose, is too damn high!


Then again, turning a literal brick on wheels into a plugin hybrid to be more "economic/green" was also a questionable decision.

 

[driventoadventure]

Diesels should be regulated to working vehicles over a certain tonnage. Putting them in generic daily vehicles is a massive misappropriation of design function.

The amount of people that buy the biggest truck they can afford, then never use it for anything remotely close to its intended purpose, is too damn high!


Then again, turning a literal brick on wheels into a plugin hybrid to be more "economic/green" was also a questionable decision.

So true. So few people who own Diesels actually understand the complexities and differences that they harbor and misuse them all the time. As much as I love having a Diesel wrangler, I do realize that it really should be gated behind understanding the technology better.

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