Nailed it!!!

[JSFoster75]

This would have been even better if there was a charging station located there.

You now hear stories of interrupted charging by selfish EV driver's who believe their vehicle's low charging state is more important than the car already charging there. It's to the point where you have to park, plug-in and wait for your battery to charge before going shopping. Or you'll have to then do it to someone else in order to get back home.

I predict charging station kiosks that will work like parking meters. You'll be fined for occupying that space for too long. Even if that means you only get a minimum or limited charge.

Great, I just exposed another green revenue stream.

I refuse to buy any vehicle that has to be plugged in for these very reasons, along with a bazillion others... Electric vehicles are far worse on the environment than gas vehicles from mining, to battery disposal/recycling, etc.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/mic...cle_394d8422-c259-11ec-9d48-f37fb0928fb9.html

Here's a Lithium mine:

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[hiimmike]

I refuse to buy anything that has to be plugged in for these very reasons, along with a bazillion others... Electric vehicles are far worse on the environment than gas vehicles from mining, to battery disposal/recycling, etc.


Here's a Lithium mine:

So you don't own a TV, a lamp, a microwave, a dishwasher, a stove, a refrigerator, a phone, a washer, a dryer, a computer, a fan, an air conditioner........ I crack myself up

 

[JSFoster75]

So you don't own a TV, a lamp, a microwave, a dishwasher, a stove, a refrigerator, a phone, a washer, a dryer, a computer, a fan, an air conditioner........ I crack myself up

As I said, there are a bazillion reasons I don't own a plug in vehicle, I was more making a point about the hypocrisy of "clean energy". To be honest, I'm not real concerned about the "environmental impact" since it's all a load of hype to make people feel good about buying an electric car. Every product on this earth today has been on this earth for thousands of years...

 

[TrailScooter]

I’m glad I found a good spot up front!!!!?

Bloody favoritism. Its econism at its worst. This kind of bigotry is unacceptable. I mean, if it were Rubicon parking I could at least understand it. But this kind of blue haired social equity has got to go!!!

 

[HungryHound]

This would have been even better if there was a charging station located there.

You now hear stories of interrupted charging by selfish EV driver's who believe their vehicle's low charging state is more important than the car already charging there. It's to the point where you have to park, plug-in and wait for your battery to charge before going shopping. Or you'll have to then do it to someone else in order to get back home.

I predict charging station kiosks that will work like parking meters. You'll be fined for occupying that space for too long. Even if that means you only get a minimum or limited charge.

Great, I just exposed another green revenue stream.

I bought a little padlock for my 4xe charging plug to stop Tesla drivers from stealing my plug. And there is a 2 hour limit on the free public charging station in Palm Springs which threatens a tow if you stay too long. Things are getting real in Cali.

 

[entropy]

I refuse to buy any vehicle that has to be plugged in for these very reasons, along with a bazillion others... Electric vehicles are far worse on the environment than gas vehicles from mining, to battery disposal/recycling, etc.


Here's a Lithium mine:

"The common environmental side effects of lithium mining are water loss, ground destabilisation, biodiversity loss, increased salinity of rivers, contaminated soil and toxic waste. In the Salar de Uyuni, water loss is the main cause for concern. "
https://wellcomecollection.org/articles/YTdnPhIAACIAGuF3

ehem... there is no free lunch, but lets not fool ourselves. I am really not sure which one is worst. Lithium is rechargeable, oil isnt. That lithium mine looks a lot better than these tho lol. But the question is, for how long?:

 

[Hogdreamer]

Click bait! I was expecting a hot chick. LOL

Fooled again, huh?

 

[Hogdreamer]

Here's a Lithium mine:

Looks like a great spot to 4xe!

 

[entropy]

Every product on this earth today has been on this earth for thousands of years...

I dont even know what this is supposed to mean. Sure lithium, oil, etc... has been on this planet for thousands of years, but it has not been mined/burned at the scale we are doing. Deforestation does have an impact. Everything we do has an impact.

And no... every product on this earth today has not been on this earth for thousands of years. I'll use one example, but there are a gazillion. Pyrethroids.

Pyrethrin is a natural occurring insecticide. Quite strong, it kills whatever insect it touches. But it has no residual effect; as soon as the sun hits it, it ceases to be toxic. Water also neutralize its effect. So it doesn't stay on the surface of a plant or soil killing whatever touches it.

Chemists synthetized the chemicals on Pyrethrin and created "Pyrethroids" such as Cypermethrin. They tweaked the chemical composition so it has a residual effect. Cypermethrin will remain active for months, so it provides long term protection to the plant. Killing all insect stages and potentially saving non-organic farmers money because they don't have to spray as often.

Using something like cypermethrin without care can have devastating effects. It remains on the plant so long that it gives a chance to insects to evolve and develop resistance to the chemical. It also kills beneficial predatory insects, which can create an imbalance in the ecosystem leading to future infestations. If used incorrectly, consequences can be devastating for the farmer, gardener, or home owner.

I am not saying Cypermethrin is bad. But it has not been on this earth for thousand of years.... and thus should be used with care.

Again, everything has consequences. We are not going to destroy the world, but if we are careless, we are gonna cause a heck lot of issues for ourselves and other species.

Sure... people are gonna market this "end of the world" stuff and make money out of it. Making money out of fear is quite profitable. I don't think the combustion engine has to go, but balance is never a bad thing.

 

[entropy]

Looks like a great spot to 4xe!

I was told that if you complete the trail they'll give you free local lithium as a new battery. Straight from the source. Support local business.

 

[DaltonGang]

And in walk the Chicken Littles of the world.
50 years of lies.

1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!

Update: I’ve added 9 additional failed predictions (via Real Climate Science) below to make it an even 50 for the number of failed eco-pocalyptic doomsday predictions over the last 50 years.

42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

 

[19 JLUR Bright Whit3]

And in walk the Chicken Littles of the world.
50 years of lies.

1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!

Update: I’ve added 9 additional failed predictions (via Real Climate Science) below to make it an even 50 for the number of failed eco-pocalyptic doomsday predictions over the last 50 years.

42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

You know there's a certain demographic that needs people to think they need saving to get votes. I'm sure the millions that voted on the platform of forgiving students loans are now kicking themselves in the ass. LOL. My apologies OP @cchambers74. Your thread went sideways before my comment. ?

 

[JSFoster75]

I dont even know what this is supposed to mean. Sure lithium, oil, etc... has been on this planet for thousands of years, but it has not been mined/burned at the scale we are doing. Deforestation does have an impact. Everything we do has an impact.

And no... every product on this earth today has not been on this earth for thousands of years. I'll use one example, but there are a gazillion. Pyrethroids.

Pyrethrin is a natural occurring insecticide. Quite strong, it kills whatever insect it touches. But it has no residual effect; as soon as the sun hits it, it ceases to be toxic. Water also neutralize its effect. So it doesn't stay on the surface of a plant or soil killing whatever touches it.

Chemists synthetized the chemicals on Pyrethrin and created "Pyrethroids" such as Cypermethrin. They tweaked the chemical composition so it has a residual effect. Cypermethrin will remain active for months, so it provides long term protection to the plant. Killing all insect stages and potentially saving non-organic farmers money because they don't have to spray as often.

Using something like cypermethrin without care can have devastating effects. It remains on the plant so long that it gives a chance to insects to evolve and develop resistance to the chemical. It also kills beneficial predatory insects, which can create an imbalance in the ecosystem leading to future infestations. If used incorrectly, consequences can be devastating for the farmer, gardener, or home owner.

I am not saying Cypermethrin is bad. But it has not been on this earth for thousand of years.... and thus should be used with care.

Again, everything has consequences. We are not going to destroy the world, but if we are careless, we are gonna cause a heck lot of issues for ourselves and other species.

Sure... people are gonna market this "end of the world" stuff and make money out of it. Making money out of fear is quite profitable. I don't think the combustion engine has to go, but balance is never a bad thing.

Every substance on earth now has always been here... It may have been made into a different form, but it was still here... Remember the huge gulf oil spill that was predicted to kill off billions of fish and take decades to clean up, but ended up having almost no impact to the environment? Yeah, man ain't going to destroy the earth...

 

[19 JLUR Bright Whit3]

Fooled again, huh?

I know the next van will have Jeep parts too!

 

[JSFoster75]

"The common environmental side effects of lithium mining are water loss, ground destabilisation, biodiversity loss, increased salinity of rivers, contaminated soil and toxic waste. In the Salar de Uyuni, water loss is the main cause for concern. "
https://wellcomecollection.org/articles/YTdnPhIAACIAGuF3

ehem... there is no free lunch, but lets not fool ourselves. I am really not sure which one is worst. Lithium is rechargeable, oil isnt. That lithium mine looks a lot better than these tho lol. But the question is, for how long?:

You do realize that without Carbon Dioxide, all plant life on earth would cease to exist, right?

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