The 2 door Jeep has always been a minority. Even before we had the JK the 2 door was a minority to larger Jeeps such as the Wagoneer. The short wheelbase, 2 door Jeep has always been a niche vehicle. Something that serves a small but specific purpose. Its something that is small, nimble, and sporty in a way no other vehicle is. The people that have the 2 door have an entirely different experience than 4 door Wranglers or other full size Jeeps.
This statement makes it obvious you've never run tight trails in the trees. Yes the JLR and JLUR are both the same width but the problem is not getting through two trees close together. The problem is that third tree right in front of you, or possibly the root of that tree behind you that pitches you into one of those tight trees. In the trees it's all about picking your line, same as picking your line through a rock garden. On these trails 2-doors rule same way 4-doors rule steep rocky climbs.
Yeah it's also the angle of the trees. They're never side by side exactly. You get the front half through but if you're vehicle is too long in the rear your back half hits the tree as soon as you turn.
Lol what does money have anything to do with it?. I think 4 door owners wished they had a 2 door sometimes. Not all but most of then. But they dont have one because of a myriad of reasons. Could be they need the trunk space, they prefer the longer wheelbase for wheeling, for bigger wheels.
The 2-door isn’t cheaper enough.
I was replying to vikings photo of 2 trees that were in fact to narrow for a JL to fit through? If all my wheeling was tight trees, obviously the JL is more maneuverable (which I've stated multiple times). For wheeling out west, where I've driven most of these trails dozens of times in the last 25 years in all types of Jeep's, the 4 door does better in more situations than the 2 door. Yes of course there are a few obstacles that favor the shorter wheel base. In my experience there are more obstacles that favor the longer wheel base, and the difference usually comes down to the long wheel base dragging the belly on the swb obstacles and the short wheelbase getting tippy, flopping, or pulling cable on the lwb obstacles. Add in the fact that the 4 door is more comfortable on every type of terrain and for me it's a clear choice. There is no 1 rig that is perfect for every obstacle. With enough work, any rig can make it through the vast majority of trails. We took the wife's wj on 31's through the Rubicon. Way more work than I want to do on vacation. Stacking rocks, jacking at times, pulling cable, etc. The tj rubicon on 35's was every bit as easy to run through the trai as my built xj on 35's or our JLU on 37's, but it was a much more violent ride. The pitching front, back, and sideways on the trail is majorly exaggerated the shorter the wheelbase. I'll stick with the smooth trail ride at any speed every time. Both are great and far better than any previous jeep and any of the competitors in my opinion, different enough that we debate it, but mostly the same.
I'll take that race every day in a 4 door. As you said all will make it. The 4 door may have to pick a different line a couple times, but you can also comfortably maintain a much higher pace on the less technical sections. Considering these are expensive vehicles, for the most part nobody is going full rock bouncers or koh style bombing through the rocks, so that race would be won on the slabs, Cadillac hill, and the dirt roads out from there to the trailhead. For that I'll take the 392 and walk away from the 2dr.I guess if all the Wrangler configs were at the trailhead of the Rubicon trail, and you timed how long the same driver would get though it, the 3.6 auto 2-door would get there the quickest. They would all get there, so all are capable, but one has to win the 5mph 'race'.
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Then again you still have to get to the trail head, which means there are other considerations such as highway driving and space for stuff, not strong suits for any 2 door. So of the 4 doors, since the diesel has lost fuel tank space to the DEX tank, its diesel mpg is less of a factor. The bigger gas tank of the 392 (vs EcoDiesl) is offset by the Hemi's horrible mpg.
Ah...but the 392 has that insane exhaust, echoing though the forest, scaring the bears. The 4xe Rubi has the opposite effect on wildlife.
I’m guessing it’s impossible to grow weed in a brackish/salt marsh. I think they were locals looking to score.
They'll still only offer it with limited configurations, and the storage capacity of a prius
