MOAB...I just don't understand

[misanthrope]

It’s more of explanation of why lsd isn’t any better in the snow and mud situations. It seems a lot of people stereotype rubicon as only a rock crawler, was just helping people to understand why it’s not. However your really not paying any more for rubicon than with Moab, aren’t they close to same price?

No, not paying more, just getting less useful everyday stuff in terms of drive train. So not price, but value. Same suspension, same 4x4 Hi/Lo. The differences lie in the F4WD vs. lockers+disco.
I agree that the Rubi is very far from being a crawler-only set up. Extremely capable everywhere, and I do like being more engaged in my driving, which I think the Rubi gets you. They both have similar rides, but if I'm never crawling (not only crawling), the Rubi offers no advantage.

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[stil2low]

It’s more of explanation of why lsd isn’t any better in the snow and mud situations. It seems a lot of people stereotype rubicon as only a rock crawler, was just helping people to understand why it’s not. However your really not paying any more for rubicon than with Moab, aren’t they close to same price?

While the BLD and the nanny system works quite well in the Jeep, having a limited in the rear in snow/mud/slick conditions is still better than open you would have while unlocked or standard rear end. The nanny system cuts power and applies brake pressure to the slipping wheel causing a hesitation feeling when trying to get moving. Try get going in a hurry and the system takes over it can seem like your almost at a stand still when you want to move or get out of the way for instance
Also the limited will save on brake pads since the nanny system doesn’t have to take over as much. My JK would eat up pads in a year being open in the back

 

[Al13]

Moab owner because that’s what I wanted and very happy with my choice. Life is too short to worry about what others have to say. And yes I traded wheels and tires from a Sahara and added the the Sahara side arepa.

 

[Roky]

While the BLD and the nanny system works quite well in the Jeep, having a limited in the rear in snow/mud/slick conditions is still better than open you would have while unlocked or standard rear end. The nanny system cuts power and applies brake pressure to the slipping wheel causing a hesitation feeling when trying to get moving. Try get going in a hurry and the system takes over it can seem like your almost at a stand still when you want to move or get out of the way for instance
Also the limited will save on brake pads since the nanny system doesn’t have to take over as much. My JK would eat up pads in a year being open in the back

You make a good point. The same nanny system is in all models, I had a Sahara with selectrac and felt it as well. However, my original rant in @misanthrope post was that rubicon also has the same capability as lsd. It seems that all you hear is “I’m not going to be rock crawling so why get a rubicon” I’m only trying to help the less informed. Obviously I’m not doing a very good job of it, lol, so I’ll shut up.

 

[Sean L]

LMAO! So........

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Just remember, if it wasn't for us the rebels would have lost the war!

 

[Sean L]

Clearly not the first.....just the first in the garden (if you believe in that story line)....otherwise, who did Cain end up marrying?

To put it simply, Only Cain, Abel and Seth were mentioned by name. The other Sons and Daughters of Adam and Eve were not named in the scriptures.

Obviously Cain would have married one of those daughters. Note that this was before relationships with closely related people was forbidden by later scriptures.

 

[Sean L]

There seems to be a misconception about the rubicon. They’re not just for rock crawling. They will do just as good as a lsd in snow or mud even without lockers engaged. When in 4h and not locked the rubi still has ESC. Electronic stability control. When it’s on traction control uses the brakes and engine torque control to limit how fast the driven wheels can spin relative to the actual speed of the vehicle. It gets better. Also there is bld( brake lock differential) a feature that controls wheel speed side to side on a given axle. So even if your in snow or mud and you don’t want esc you just push the button to turn it off. However the bld remains enabled. So you see unless you’ve actually driven a rubicon in this situation , then I would simply ask that you reserve judgment until you try it.
Ok.... I’m done with this serious crap... back to the fun!

So uh.... We Minions also have traction control/BLD/ESC ect ect... So really the only true advantage the Rubicon has as far as traction aids is the Locking Differentials, the lower gearing and the electronic sway bar disconnect.

 

[Roky]

So uh.... We Minions also have traction control/BLD/ESC ect ect... So really the only true advantage the Rubicon has as far as traction aids is the Locking Differentials, the lower gearing and the electronic sway bar disconnect.

You are correct, I just get the impression that some people don’t realize rubicon has the same nanny’s as the other models, they think it’s only lockers. I’m just not doing very well at trying get that out there I’ll shut up.

 

[Sean L]

You are correct, I just get the impression that some people don’t realize rubicon has the same nanny’s as the other models, they think it’s only lockers. I’m just not doing very well at trying get that out there I’ll shut up.

heh, no worries, I was just hoping you weren't thinking it was also something we didn't have.

 

[Roky]

heh, no worries, I was just hoping you weren't thinking it was also something we didn't have.

No.no.... this time shoe on other foot, I’m trying to say we have same thing you have. .

 

[Sean L]

No.no.... this time shoe on other foot, I’m trying to say we have same thing you have. .

lol!

 

[Sean K.]

To put it simply, Only Cain, Abel and Seth were mentioned by name. The other Sons and Daughters of Adam and Eve were not named in the scriptures.

Obviously Cain would have married one of those daughters. Note that this was before relationships with closely related people was forbidden by later scriptures.

I doubt anyone wants this to turn into a Bible discussion....but I'll say this: that's only ONE interpretation of scripture and one that makes much less sense in the overall scheme of the biblical story as it relates to Torah regarding intermarriage/war in heaven/creation/fall of Adam&Eve and Cain's subsequent expulsion....and just as importantly a "young" Biblical earth vs. a scientifically "proved" 4.5 billion year old one.

Here's a hint: Look at Genesis 1:2 in Hebrew with an online (or paper copy) of an interlinear Hebrew bible; preferably one using the DSS as its primary source material for the translation as it's the oldest (~200 BC) surviving, mostly complete text of the Tanakh from Hebrew (obviously singling it out vs. the Greek Septuagint). What you'll find is that the word "was" has been added to the text (shown by the inclusion of the added word in [brackets]) instead of the Hebrew word that's actually in the text that translates as "became".

It's a very small, seemingly insignificant change that has monumental impact on the meaning of the text if taken within context. Couple that with the fact that the Hebrew word "chaos" has been expunged from the text and replaced with "without form" and "void" further veils the other interpretation of what's actually being conveyed.

 

[Sean L]

I doubt anyone wants this to turn into a Bible discussion....but I'll say this: that's only ONE interpretation of scripture and one that makes much less sense in the overall scheme of the biblical story as it relates to Torah regarding intermarriage/war in heaven/creation/fall of Adam&Eve and Cain's subsequent expulsion....and just as importantly a "young" Biblical earth vs. a scientifically "proved" 4.5 billion year old one.

Here's a hint: Look at Genesis 1:2 in Hebrew with an online (or paper copy) of an interlinear Hebrew bible; preferably one using the DSS as its primary source material for the translation as it's the oldest (~200 BC) surviving, mostly complete text of the Tanakh from Hebrew (obviously singling it out vs. the Greek Septuagint). What you'll find is that the word "was" has been added to the text (shown by the inclusion of the added word in [brackets]) instead of the Hebrew word that's actually in the text that translates as "became".

It's a very small, seemingly insignificant change that has monumental impact on the meaning of the text if taken within context. Couple that with the fact that the Hebrew word "chaos" has been expunged from the text and replaced with "without form" and "void" further veils the other interpretation of what's actually being conveyed.

I was referring to Genesis 5:4 mentioning that after Seth, there were other sons and daughters.

 

[Sean K.]

I was referring to Genesis 5:4 mentioning that after Seth, there were other sons and daughters.

Right and I get that...but it all comes back to Gen 1:2; especially when you come to the argument about the Sons of Seth vs. Sons of God/Nephilim in chapter 6.

 

[Sean L]

Right and I get that...but it all comes back to Gen 1:2; especially when you come to the argument about the Sons of Seth vs. Sons of God/Nephilim in chapter 6.

I haven't heard of any such argument before now. So you have a little confused right now.

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