Load range C vs D vs E

[Ratbert]

I have been looking at Patagucci Mt2 for a while, they seem to be one of the best snow wheeling tires you can get. I feel like they are paddle steamers in the snow, the side bites and the center floats! I keep circling around to their XT but can't find a reviewer I trust.

I don't know if he's reviewed them, but Outdoor Auto on YouTube seriously knows his shit about tires while also seeming to be relatively unbiased.

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[AlgUSF]

This is driving me nuts. I’m going back and forth between 35’s or 37’s. If I do 37’s I’ll be going with the BFG KO2 AT’s because they run on the smaller side. Their load range is a C making the tire roughly 63 lbs and more suitable for the weight of my JLU.

However….I keep looking for 35’s with a load C or D rating and it seems next to impossible. If I do go with 35’s it seems like all the tires are E rated and weigh around 70lbs.

I think (please feel free to educate me) a C rated tire will ride a bit smoother and deform better aired down with the weight of my Jeep. I want this. I currently have 315 falkin wildpeaks atw3 and they are E rated. If I air down to 20psi you can barely tell…I have to be closer to 15 to get deformation.

Also would really like some RT tires if I go 35. And my very short list is the radar renegades but again these are an E rated tire.

So I guess kind of a rant and question…what 35’s are good off-road and are C/D rated?

Am I putting too much stock in load rating?

Thanks!

I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but you'd better get your order in soon as the KO2s are being discontinued. I'm running BFG KO2 315/70 R17's Load Range C (on stock Rubi wheels) and they perform great on and off road. I'm aired to 30psi on road and they are wearing evenly.

 

[BRuby]

Load C is spot on.

We had E on a 4x4 that towed a 5000 lb trailer and that worked out perfect. But C on the lightweight JL without towing is perfect. You want nice deformation when aired down. On street we now keep at 28 and we get perfect even wear. Even helps with wet traction. Airing at 37 sticker is BS.

Load ratings matter!

 

[stretch-bsn]

I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but you'd better get your order in soon as the KO2s are being discontinued. I'm running BFG KO2 315/70 R17's Load Range C (on stock Rubi wheels) and they perform great on and off road. I'm aired to 30psi on road and they are wearing evenly.

I didn’t know that

 

[gato]

I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but you'd better get your order in soon as the KO2s are being discontinued. I'm running BFG KO2 315/70 R17's Load Range C (on stock Rubi wheels) and they perform great on and off road. I'm aired to 30psi on road and they are wearing evenly.

I hope they run out soon, specially for Ford. That is the best way to guarantee that the C-rates 37x12.7R17 KO3 launches sooner rather than later. Ford needs those in 37s for the Bronco Raptor and F150 Raptor. Once the Ko2s run out, BFG must be under contract to supply Ford with KO3s. Ford and BFG co-developed the 37 KO2s in C load and I bet they are doing the same with the KO3s. Jeep off-course continues to be absent from the most popular off road tire size. What a shame. Jeep lagging 5 years and counting.

 

[Sportacus]

I have been looking at Patagucci Mt2 for a while, they seem to be one of the best snow wheeling tires you can get. I feel like they are paddle steamers in the snow, the side bites and the center floats! I keep circling around to their XT but can't find a reviewer I trust.

I should have clarified. Ive been running the MT01s for six years. I just got some MT2s but havent put them on yet. Theyre supposed to be much better in multiple aspects, albeit a little heavier it seems. Mine are really light, in the 60s.

The XT is a new version/category? of AT tire. I was looking at them for my Sierra. Much cheaper than the MT2 but less capable (tor offroading).

I have taken my MT01s in the snow a few times and they did ok. Not deep snow. We ran John Bull with some snow. Snow is not a primary concern for us in so cal lol.

I looked at getting the Bajas but they were quite a bit more expensive and quite a bit heavier iirc. Ive seen those pop a couple of times but not sure if it had more to do with the sidewall or the circumstance. Great tires nonetheles, if you have the $$.

 

[Compression-Ignition]

Load C is spot on.

We had E on a 4x4 that towed a 5000 lb trailer and that worked out perfect. But C on the lightweight JL without towing is perfect. You want nice deformation when aired down. On street we now keep at 28 and we get perfect even wear. Even helps with wet traction. Airing at 37 sticker is BS.

Load ratings matter!

Load ratings matter if you want possible peak performance off-road in rocks. Otherwise tire pressure matters…within reason. I wouldn’t advocate rolling on tires meant for 22.5” semi wheels. But a D or E rated tire is a non issue.

 

[Snacktime]

I should have clarified. Ive been running the MT01s for six years. I just got some MT2s but havent put them on yet. Theyre supposed to be much better in multiple aspects, albeit a little heavier it seems. Mine are really light, in the 60s.

The XT is a new version/category? of AT tire. I was looking at them for my Sierra. Much cheaper than the MT2 but less capable (tor offroading).

I have taken my MT01s in the snow a few times and they did ok. Not deep snow. We ran John Bull with some snow. Snow is not a primary concern for us in so cal lol.

I looked at getting the Bajas but they were quite a bit more expensive and quite a bit heavier iirc. Ive seen those pop a couple of times but not sure if it had more to do with the sidewall or the circumstance. Great tires nonetheles, if you have the $$.

Been eyeing 38x13.5 R17 which come in limited options. The XT has some appeal due to the more wet weather traits, because if it starts raining we go start racing up the hill to go snow wheeling. Couple of my buddies run the Mickie Mts and they work well for everything but the wet weather. Most are switching to AT or RT tires as they clearly have an advantage during winter and the trails around here don't have goopy mud.

Also might just keep wheeling my cheap 37 Delium AT, they seem to do everything well.

 

[Vinman]

I’ve been running C rated 37” KO2’s for a couple of years now, no complaints.

 

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Here is the difference in 315/70R17 KO2s albeit with 77,000 miles on them (although the front tires have 7/32” thread still on them) and new 37x12.50R17 KO2s. I have a 3.5” Rock Krawler Xfactor No Limits lift. Photos are taken 1.5 hours apart outside Discount Tire.

 

[BRuby]

Load ratings matter if you want possible peak performance off-road in rocks. Otherwise tire pressure matters…within reason. I wouldn’t advocate rolling on tires meant for 22.5” semi wheels. But a D or E rated tire is a non issue.

OP says this:

"I think (please feel free to educate me) a C rated tire will ride a bit smoother and deform better aired down with the weight of my Jeep. I want this. I currently have 315 falkin wildpeaks atw3 and they are E rated. If I air down to 20psi you can barely tell…I have to be closer to 15 to get deformation."

So apparently the E rated tire is an issue. But take that up with the OP. Most like C - as they deform better aired down with the weight of the Jeep. I agree on that preference - as I also like peak performance off-road in rocks. In my experience E was way too stiff for that.

 

[Compression-Ignition]

Raise your hand if you think 15 psi is aired down.

 

[Gorilla57]

Raise your hand if you think 15 psi is aired down.

I run my Swampers at 4psi………. 🫣 (but those are 43’s and on the buggy)

On the Jeep, I air down to 10-11 for rock crawling and 8 for the sand.

 

[James Westfall]

Load ratings matter if you want possible peak performance off-road in rocks. Otherwise tire pressure matters…within reason. I wouldn’t advocate rolling on tires meant for 22.5” semi wheels. But a D or E rated tire is a non issue.

Load ratings matter if you want peak performance, period. You want to be able to air down to a point where you maximize traction but don't increase the risk of damage or popping a bead. Running a load range that's too high for your vehicle can force you to air down into a less than secure pressure range just to get the best traction.

Raise your hand if you think 15 psi is aired down.

15 PSI is less than half of "normal" pressure for almost all the tires anyone should be running on a JL. Also every managed land i've ever wheeled on recommends running something in between 15-20 psi. So yes, that's "aired down".

 

[stretch-bsn]

OP here:

I want 37’s but also like the poke…

Also I realize I’m pushing it with my gearing set up for 37’s.


I’m thinking of going with the 35 Baja boss MT’s…they are still a little bigger (currently running the 315 falkins that measure about 33.5” and weigh 73lbs) at 34.5” (is what I’m seeing online) and weigh about 66lbs. So a tire that’s 7lbs lighter, one inch taller and a mud terrain…also a load range D tire. I think this will give me some decent offroad traction and still give me a slightly larger tire without having to regear. Also sounds like if you do a 5 tire rotation you get about 45k miles out of that specific MT which sounds decent to me.

Still would like that 37’s but if I want to do that right I’m looking at about a $5500 drop for a regear and tires. I won’t do a regear myself.

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