How to take advantage of ESS effectively.

[CashMonkey]

Its not just a Jeep thing - they are in a lot of models and its very annoying. No reason to like it - there should be a setting to disable.

I know its available in other vehicles. 1 other vehicle I was looking at gretting also came with ESS, Im not new to the system. But the benefit with the JL was the ability to turn if off should it ever bother me, which I loved that Jeep gave me that option. Like I said Im indifferent with it, I could care less either way.

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[BillyHW]

I could care less either way.

Why does this keep happening?

 

[CashMonkey]

I have a feeling you know you're being ridiculous with this comment given how many other improvements make the JL worth a purchase over a JK, so I won't address that in hopes that your own sense of humanity will take care of that.

So I'll just speak for myself as someone who turns ESS off every trip: I don't mind pressing the button, though not having to would, of course, be better. My wife and I have kind of made it a game; turning on the Jeep and pressing all its dang buttons is like booting up a space shuttle for launch (I kid, obviously, but all these screens and stuff are getting crazy). We have a little routine down every time - push start button, she pushes the ESS button, pushes her heated seat, I hit the Uconnect "accept" button...lol

And with such (anecdotally, for now) little evidence that it makes any kind of real difference in MPG, I don't understand how people could love it, logically. Coming from an age where everything was a manual and your car turning off was a sure sign you messed up, I guess I'm biased, but I don't understand what you guys are getting out of this.

Do you just love that eerie feel of no engine right before you get that green light to merge onto an interstate highway at 70mph? Or not having your engine on when some idiot comes barreling at you through a stop sign (true story for me, unfortunately)?All for the sake of .10 more mpg than the guy next to you whose engine is running, ready for the quick merge and not having to concentrate on feathering his brake or how lightly he's pressing the brake? I don't care how good you are: using the ESS delays your ability to get going quickly. That's a fact. And in dangerous situations, some fraction of a second could prove harmful to you and/or your passengers. People who have been in accidents at lights and stop signs and other situations where you are stopped know this, so please don't try to speculate if it hasn't happened to you, or at least acknowledge that you don't have that experience.

Yes I was being sarcastic. Obviously I know about all the advantages the JL has over the JK. Which basically proves the point that, 1 little piece of technology which may or may not help MPG; isnt something significant enough that it should make people lose their minds over.

In the big scheme of things, turn ESS off and move along with your day. HOWEVER when that becomes tiresome, and it will become tiresome; these are tips to help people make ESS livable, specially for people who may have never driven a vehicle with it.

Thats pretty cool that you and your wife made it into a game, I think thats a better way than disabling ESS completely, and having a warning light on in your dash. That would annoy me more than ESS itself.

 

[CashMonkey]

Why does this keep happening?

Lol what do you mean? It is what it is, Im one of those people, where if theres nothing I can do about it; oh well move along.

The funniest story I have with ESS is my good buddy who owns a Grand Cherokee SRT/8 . His dumbass got a DUI and needed a breathalyzer installed in his vehicle. So for 6 months he had to blow his ride everytime ESS kicked in, to turn it on :cwl:

 

[BillyHW]

Lol what do you mean? It is what it is, Im one of those people, where if theres nothing I can do about it; oh well move along.

The funniest story I have with ESS is my good buddy who owns a Grand Cherokee SRT/8 . His dumbass got a DUI and needed a breathalyzer installed in his vehicle. So for 6 months he had to blow his ride everytime ESS kicked in, to turn it on :cwl:

I mean that if you could care less it means that you do care, even if just a little.

 

[CashMonkey]

I mean that if you could care less it means that you do care, even if just a little.

LOL tbh I was annoyed with ESS being added to the JL in the beginning. Then when I test drove the JL and got to know the vehicle first hand, it didn't seem significant enough for me to be annoyed by ESS anymore. Do I wish FCA never added it into the JL, yes. BUT I also wish Jeep gave me a Hemi V8 option out the factory.

 

[misanthrope]

LOL tbh I was annoyed with ESS being added to the JL in the beginning. Then when I test drove the JL and got to know the vehicle first hand, it didn't seem significant enough for me to be annoyed by ESS anymore. Do I wish FCA never added it into the JL, yes. BUT I also wish Jeep gave me a Hemi V8 option out the factory.

Just get the turbo 2.0 and attach another one to the rear axle. 4 liter, 8 cylinder twin turbo. Sweet...

 

[CashMonkey]

Just get the turbo 2.0 and attach another one to the rear axle. 4 liter, 8 cylinder twin turbo. Sweet...

LOL get it in mojito green and call it Frankenstein?

 

[Torero]

As far as I understand, the ESS with the Manual does the auto stop when you're in neutral, and the clutch pedal is not pressed. Press in the clutch and the engine cranks, ready to go into gear. It should actually be a lot more predictable with the Manual. I haven't driven one like that yet though.

Right on. I have a manual and I feel I have full control of the ESS. Only when I know the stop is long so I go to neutral and let the clutch out. Otherwise the ESS is not coming on. Perfect for me.

 

[jaldeborgh]

Don't get me wrong, I am 100% for any improvement to reducing fuel consumption and CO2 production. Just playing devil's advocate a bit, and pointing out with the money available to car makers for r and d, and the looming CAFE regs, I believe they could do better than stop/start. And they will, a soon as we all stop complaining about the current "inconvenience" of ESS. I, myself, can't wait to see the hybrid Wrangler. That will certainly tear a great rift between the staunch tradionalists here and the more progressive minded folks, of which I consider myself a part.

We all spent too many years in love with huge V8s and 4 barrel carburetors, over weight cars that rusted out and became disposable and inefficient emission systems. Our penance is ESS. I'll pay that price happily. Greater pains are coming.

If you sit around the house and eat bacon 3 meals a day for 30 years, one of two things is going to happen: you're going to drop dead (as IC engines just might), or you're going to get your ass off the couch, eat a salad and lose some weight. There is very little middle ground.

I’ve spent my career working in the Semiconductor Industry, which sets the standard for technology development, so I’m both a geek and an early adopter. My point was simply that the powers that be have decided that ESS is a value add technology when it comes to fuel economy on internal combustion engines. A hybrid system is simply a more complex ESS system, with the motor turning on and off based on need. Any time a internal combustion engine is involved in the power train, ESS will increase efficiency. My comments are independent of my feelings as to what system is best, efficiency is efficiency and the concept of ESS should improve efficiency. We can argue the implementation but the concept itself is valid.

 

[BumpyTrail]

I mean that if you could care less it means that you do care, even if just a little.

Interestingly the original expression was " I couldn't care less". When the saying made its way to America in the 1950's it began to be misquoted so present day we have " I could care less". As in most of the people who read this "could care less" about this info. Haha

 

[rallydefault]

Thats pretty cool that you and your wife made it into a game, I think thats a better way than disabling ESS completely, and having a warning light on in your dash. That would annoy me more than ESS itself.

Yea, I'm not going to do anything that will leave the light on the dash. I'm also really paranoid about disconnecting stuff like that, especially as a homebrew kinda idea.

There is nothing wrong with you posting your ideas, never said there was, so that's all well and good - keep at it. The safety concerns outweigh things for me, though, so that button is going to keep getting pushed. Especially with my first kid on the way: I want all of the control at my fingers in a split second. I don't want my engine off the next time a drunk driver peels through a stoplight toward me with my infant in the back seat. I know it's an extreme example, but like I said, it happened to me before just minus the infant.

I did make a note to check my average mpg when I got into the jeep yesterday, and I'm actually sitting at 21mpg right on the dot. So in that regard, too, I'm just not seeing any actual benefit especially when considered against what you lose.

 

[Sean L]

Just get the turbo 2.0 and attach another one to the rear axle. 4 liter, 8 cylinder twin turbo. Sweet...

You just might be on to something here... 4 Liter Twin turbo V8 ETorque would be a fine engine in a wrangler. Assuming it would make 540Hp, double the Hp of the 2.0.

 

[Sean L]

So just where are all these people living that you have to hit 70 Mph within a few seconds of the light turning green and the slightest delay will get you killed? Please enlighten me so I know where I shouldn't move to.

 

[cabnfvr]

It must be true, I saw it on the internet!!

Start-Stop engines have more robust starters, yes, but they also have improved oiling for the engine, predefined stop rotation to enhance the quick start, stronger alternator, and it can be over ridden with the push of a button (4 way stops or off road in high range for instance). Bottom line is that yes ESS can be annoying at times but the stories about it being bad for the engine are just internet myths propagated by people that don't really know what is engineered into these engines. These people still use 20-50 oil.
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