How to take advantage of ESS effectively.

[Sean L]

I like this system so far (at longer lights and the drive thru), but do agree with those that don't like it, that it should not have been made to default to enabled at every start. Even if it's still standard equipment on all models at least that would have been nice, the extra durability built into the system does have some value even if you don't use ESS specifically.

Two batteries and a beefy starter, I bet its pretty hard to run the battery dead on these.

Sponsored

 

[AZCrawl]

I have a max care warranty, not too worried about the negative impact.

 

[Malve]

I was never a big tree hugger but my eyes have been opened (actually pried open by my gf) to think more about the planet we share. This is coming from a guy who’s other vehicle is an Infiniti QX with even worse fuel efficiency.

I do believe there is a significant fuel savings component to this feature. Individually, it may seem less significant but collectively, there is a helluva lot of impact.

I wonder for ANY of you if someone could do the math and show the collective benefit and what that benefit could really translate to for fuel savings, the environment etc... if even some of you would be open to shifting your stance.

I am personally TRYING to learn more and make small adjustments in my life that could make a difference but most (or really all) of these changes will only matter if many, many people do the same.

I get ALL the reasons why one would not like ESS. I have been wired to feel the same (essentially not care all that much) all my life. But I guess now I’m asking myself...Are any of those reasons really important if collectively we are contributing to a greater cause?

Just sayin.

 

[Sean L]

I was never a big tree hugger but my eyes have been opened (actually pried open by my gf) to think more about the planet we share. This is coming from a guy who’s other vehicle is an Infiniti QX with even worse fuel efficiency.

I do believe there is a significant fuel savings component to this feature. Individually, it may seem less significant but collectively, there is a helluva lot of impact.

I wonder for ANY of you if someone could do the math and show the collective benefit and what that benefit could really translate to for fuel savings, the environment etc... if even some of you would be open to shifting your stance.

I am personally TRYING to learn more and make small adjustments in my life that could make a difference but most (or really all) of these changes will only matter if many, many people do the same.

I get ALL the reasons why one would not like ESS. I have been wired to feel the same (essentially not care all that much) all my life. But I guess now I’m asking myself...Are any of those reasons really important if collectively we are contributing to a greater cause?

Just sayin.

San Diego would be a good place for ESS, I know the frustration of that traffic lol.

 

[theplankeye]

I understand some of your perspectives on the environment. However, automotive emissions are focused on too heavily because it is a tangible change to constituents. Real change in CO2 exists from looking at unsynchronized stoplights, gas field flares (one of which will emit more CO2 in a day than I do all year!!), wildfires, private jets, poorly insulated commercial buildings, idle or slow moving locomotives, and the list can go on and on. ESS is nothing but to appease a requirement on piece of paper

 

[$uicide$hift]

I understand some of your perspectives on the environment. However, automotive emissions are focused on too heavily because it is a tangible change to constituents. Real change in CO2 exists from looking at unsynchronized stoplights, gas field flares (one of which will emit more CO2 in a day than I do all year!!), wildfires, private jets, poorly insulated commercial buildings, idle or slow moving locomotives, and the list can go on and on. ESS is nothing but to appease a requirement on piece of paper

Add to that cows! Cows are a big issue! We need to start regulating those damn cows! :cwl:

 

[AZCrawl]

Add to that cows! Cows are a big issue! We need to start regulating those damn cows! :cwl:

Not to mention volcanos and forest fires.

 

[Sean L]

Add to that cows! Cows are a big issue! We need to start regulating those damn cows! :cwl:

Too many beef eaters here lol. but to go on Plankeye's statement, regulation of automotive emissions is heavily focused on, but I do believe that fuel economy is all on the driver. A heavy foot will still get you bad mileage in a Prius.

 

[rallydefault]

It is nice in certain situations, I'll give it that. Long lights, drive-throughs, pretty much the logical stuff that many have already pointed out. But it's freaky, and boy will I never have it on going anywhere near a highway merge or something where you may have to have full brake pressure for a few seconds waiting for an opening and then a quick dash into traffic. That sort of prospect freaks me out now that I've experienced the feature and how it's literally a full turn-off of the engine.

But here's what I don't get: it's in the vehicle, therefore they can count it toward their MPG calculations. Great.

So why not just allow us to push one button to disable indefinitely rather than forcing a button push every trip? Is there some sort of gov't regulation that the MPG savings can't be included if the ESS can be disabled for an extended time? Honestly would be interested to know. My hunch is that as long as the feature is part of the car standard (and it is), the company can legally use it in its calculations regardless of the options it gives to the driver in terms of enable/disable.

 

[Sean L]

It is nice in certain situations, I'll give it that. Long lights, drive-throughs, pretty much the logical stuff that many have already pointed out. But it's freaky, and boy will I never have it on going anywhere near a highway merge or something where you may have to have full brake pressure for a few seconds waiting for an opening and then a quick dash into traffic. That sort of prospect freaks me out now that I've experienced the feature and how it's literally a full turn-off of the engine.

But here's what I don't get: it's in the vehicle, therefore they can count it toward their MPG calculations. Great.

So why not just allow us to push one button to disable indefinitely rather than forcing a button push every trip? Is there some sort of gov't regulation that the MPG savings can't be included if the ESS can be disabled for an extended time? Honestly would be interested to know. My hunch is that as long as the feature is part of the car standard (and it is), the company can legally use it in its calculations regardless of the options it gives to the driver in terms of enable/disable.

It has to default to on in order to count in the EPA testing, otherwise its going to drop its city MPG rating. And another thing, the City rating is very subjective... Traffic in Winston-Salem, NC is an entirely different animal than Charlotte, NC. and both of those aren't even close to Los Angeles...
but I digress, its helpful at a stop light, but your situation, yes I agree with you. Disabling ESS when you know you're gonna have to go from a stop to highway speeds in short order is helpful.

 

[TroyBoy]

Disabling ESS when you know you're gonna have to go from a stop to highway speeds in short order is helpful.

If you need that extra split second then I might suggest you are taking risk that you probably shouldn't have. However, if you feel it necessary in that situation, just ease up on the brake beforehand and the engine will start.

 

[ThirtyOne]

I actually like the concept of ESS. I don't like the idea of sitting idle belching emissions out into the world I am leaving for my kids. I don't have my Jeep yet to see how well it works with the manual. On my test drives with the automatic it didn't bother me I kept forgetting about it. If the radio had been turned up to my usual level I wouldn't have even known it was there. And I appreciate these tips. If I can shift my own gears I can also work the brakes a little bit to take advantage of the ESS.

 

[Sean L]

I actually like the concept of ESS. I don't like the idea of sitting idle belching emissions out into the world I am leaving for my kids. I don't have my Jeep yet to see how well it works with the manual. On my test drives with the automatic it didn't bother me I kept forgetting about it. If the radio had been turned up to my usual level I wouldn't have even known it was there. And I appreciate these tips. If I can shift my own gears I can also work the brakes a little bit to take advantage of the ESS.

As far as I understand, the ESS with the Manual does the auto stop when you're in neutral, and the clutch pedal is not pressed. Press in the clutch and the engine cranks, ready to go into gear. It should actually be a lot more predictable with the Manual. I haven't driven one like that yet though.

 

[Sean L]

Ok, let me throw something else out to you guys that seem to like the Start/Stop system on the new Wrangler and please be honest. How many of you pull up to any place that has a drive through and park instead of waiting in line with your idling vehicle? I park and go inside all the time and I can't stand the auto start/stop system on my Jeep, hence it is disabled. Be honest now.

I take full advantage of ESS at a drive-thru now. But prior to owning my jeep, if it was a slooow line, I would shut the engine off in my truck and wait for the line to move. If it was a long line I would just park and go inside.

 

[misanthrope]

Ok, let me throw something else out to you guys that seem to like the Start/Stop system on the new Wrangler and please be honest. How many of you pull up to any place that has a drive through and park instead of waiting in line with your idling vehicle? I park and go inside all the time and I can't stand the auto start/stop system on my Jeep, hence it is disabled. Be honest now.

I'm not sure if I get the question, but I never use the drive through. Nothing to do with ESS. Remember what Pesci said happens to you at the drive through.
What AAA wrote about auto start/stop a few years ago is absolutely true: it needs to be seamless and nearly silent for the public to embrace it. Perhaps the biggest problem with the Jeep ESS is that it's neither. Don't know, as I don't have my Jeep yet. But it's pretty innocuous on my wife's pilot, and that has the same displacement as the Pentastar. I actually like the looks people give me at a light when they hear my car restart: they're a bit baffled, and then they look at their own cars, like, "Why don't you do that?"

Sponsored