How to take advantage of ESS effectively.

[misanthrope]

Wait... how do you disable that annoying chime for the seat belts??

DON'T WORRY. AFTER YOU GO THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD, YOU WON'T HEAR THE SEATBELT CHIME ANY MORE...

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[mgroeger]

Crap... that was my alter ego "I can't stand stupid forced options"mgroeger. I apologize, I will do my best to keep him off this forum. He lurks in the shadows waiting for opportunities such as this

 

[Sean L]

Wait... how do you disable that annoying chime for the seat belts??

Wearing your seatbelt. It also helps you avoid getting a ticket too.

 

[mgroeger]

DON'T WORRY. AFTER YOU GO THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD, YOU WON'T HEAR THE SEATBELT CHIME ANY MORE...

While I am deeply moved by your sincere concern for my safety there are times when it would be nice to not have that annoying chime. Like when I was trying to use my shirt to clean my sunglasses and couldn't have the belt around me and MY WIFE KEPT YELLING TO PUT MY BELT ON. Times like that, you know, where going through the windshield would sort of be a blessing.

 

[Sean L]

Sean I know you mean well with this post but this is an automatic system built into the Wrangler, it works as programmed by the manufacturer. Anything else is much ado about nothing.

Yes, I'm aware of the automatic nature of the system. But light pressure of the brakes will avoid an auto stop if you know you're going to stop very briefly (like a stop sign). These are just helpful hints to get along better with ESS rather than defeat it entirely and to make it less annoying.

 

[theplankeye]

Guys. You are full of it if you think the engine cutting off and then back on does not sound ridiculous. Maybe if you obvious to those around you, there is no shame.

Why do people hate it with a passion? Because a small group of people (regulators, politicians, and constituents) FORCED this on everyone to meet some minuscule MPG improvement that does not mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Every time I have to push that stupid little button, I hate it more.

 

[misanthrope]

Yes, I'm aware of the automatic nature of the system. But light pressure of the brakes will avoid an auto stop if you know you're going to stop very briefly (like a stop sign). These are just helpful hints to get along better with ESS rather than defeat it entirely and to make it less annoying.

Yup. You're just trying to share the wisdom that your experience has granted you. No good deed...

 

[mgroeger]

On a serious note this is really a terrible idea for engine wear. If you are stuck in downtown rush hour traffic do you know how many times your Jeep will stop and start. I mean come on, that's nonsense just to meet some stupid EPA regulation or "gas savings".
"Hey I saved $5 on gas this month but had to replace my engine at 150K"

 

[Sean L]

Guys. You are full of it if you think the engine cutting off and then back on does not sound ridiculous.

Why do people hate it with a passion? Because a small group of people (regulators, politicians, and constituents) FORCED this on everyone to meet some minuscule MPG improvement that does not mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Every time I have to push that stupid little button, I hate it more.

Boy do I have the right vehicle for you. No buttons, no levers, no switches, no nothing...

 

[Sean L]

On a serious note this is really a terrible idea for engine wear. If you are stuck in downtown rush hour traffic do you know how many times your Jeep will stop and start. I mean come on, that's nonsense just to meet some stupid EPA regulation or "gas savings".
"Hey I saved $5 on gas this month but had to replace my engine at 150K"

Note that I said to disable ESS in heavy stop and go traffic... in the first post.

 

[opsfox21]

I like this system so far (at longer lights and the drive thru), but do agree with those that don't like it, that it should not have been made to default to enabled at every start. Even if it's still standard equipment on all models at least that would have been nice, the extra durability built into the system does have some value even if you don't use ESS specifically.

 

[theplankeye]

I would love to meet you ESS lovers. You would probably fit in well with people that love poke themselves in the eye with sharp sticks! Haha

 

[Sean L]

I would love to meet you ESS lovers. You would probably fit in well with people that love poke themselves in the eye with sharp sticks! Haha

You'll have to remove your own plank before you tell us about our splinters man.

 

[theplankeye]

Touché! Hahaha

 

[misanthrope]

Guys. You are full of it if you think the engine cutting off and then back on does not sound ridiculous.

Why do people hate it with a passion? Because a small group of people (regulators, politicians, and constituents) FORCED this on everyone to meet some minuscule MPG improvement that does not mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Every time I have to push that stupid little button, I hate it more.

I will agree that the ESS is probably the silliest way for automakers to deal with somewhat artificial and watered down regulations. A much better way would be to improve the aerodynamic properties of the flying brick, or to reduce weight by going with an IFS or eliminating the roll bar and reinforced, removable top. But since these were non-starters for the Wrangler (else, why bother making a Wrangler?), Jeep, like so many other automakers, took the easy way out and went for an incremental benefit, using ESS.

This is the price we all pay for allowing car makers to be so damn lazy for the past 5 decades. The 1970's taught the American consumer nothing. We should be far more demanding when it comes to tech that decreases waste and consumption. As long as we love to guzzle gas, we will empower foreign nations through our oil dependency. The CAFE regs were designed to reduce dependency on foreign oil, but we fight them so much that they effectively become(through "hacks" and dollar votes) and will officially become through deregulation) impotent.

ESS is, like you say, a "minuscule MPG improvement", especially considering all the tech that went into it. This, of course, doesn't take into account the environmental benefits in large cities of removing thousands of idling vehicles and the tons of CO they produce. But, leave this out of it for now. The fact is, we absolutely should be demanding more than ESS form carmakers, or, very soon, we won't have to worry about IC engines at all, because everything we drive will be electric...

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