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Have any of you folks that have experienced "snobbery" about your Jeep, been turned away from a trail run b/c you didn't have the "required" (I put it in quotes b/c often times the trail leader will dictate equipment) equipment?

Has anyone with a Rubicon been turned away for the same reason (usually someone requiring 1T axles and at least 39s)?

Just wondering.......
I have been on trail runs where someone showed up with no lockers, no LSD, no 31-inch tires or no clue, but never saw anyone be turned away.

We made sure to scorn the offender and allowed him to tag along with everyone watching that he didn't fall behind. Placing him in the middle of the line usually ensures that no one is left behind.





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I have been on trail runs where someone showed up with no lockers, no LSD, no 31-inch tires or no clue, but never saw anyone be turned away.

We made sure to scorn the offender and allowed him to tag along with everyone watching that he didn't fall behind. Placing him in the middle of the line usually ensures that no one is left behind.
Seen people turned away....but never have done that as a trip leader.
 

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Thank you

Edit, sorry for the straight razor restart. I was out Jeeping for 4 days and did not realize that the thread had changed again.
the razor on top, the JR Torrey razor, with the green scales, is a usable razor in good enough shape to be honed and used. The one on the bottom is pretty worn out. It could be honed, but is more of a wall hanger.
I have several J.R.Torrey razors, and they are usually made well.

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Seen people turned away....but never have done that as a trip leader.
A few years back this young guy shows up in a 35 year old Toyota pickup. He had paid $900 for it the week before. He wanted to see what the truck was capable of. He brought his gf along; she didn't look amused.

He kept telling us how he had replaced all the hoses and belts and the truck was running like new. In any event, later in the afternoon we go down this v-shaped chute where you need to straddle the walls with your tires. An older Jeeper goes in front to spot him. I never liked the lines he picked. This time I still didn't like the lines he was picking for the young Toyota driver but, hey, I wasn't doing the spotting so I kept quiet.

Sure enough, a few minutes go by, the driver side gets too high up the wall and the passenger side drops to the bottom of the v-shaped chute; the truck settles on its side. The driver side then lifts up in the air as if the Toyota is about to roll on its side. We all hold our breath as the Toyota hangs in the balance for a few seconds; gravity wins and the Toyota lands back on its wheels.

Turns out he forgot to replace the tires. The old, dried rubber didnt stand a chance and they gave in as the Toyota landed; all tires lose the little air they had and even came off their beads. He didn't bring a spare.

The gf had to crawl out the window; she went from pale to rage... but kept quiet.

After a few attempts to straighten the truck, we winched him out of on its side so the rest of us could get through. We tried in vain to remount the tires onto the rims. As it got dark, the old fellow who spotted him offered to load up the four wheels and tires into his Jeep, take the guy and his gf to the gas station several miles away at the base of the mountain, remount the tires and bring them back to mount the wheels back onto the Toyota. I had to head back home, but I heard they were there until midnight.

WTF happened?!?!
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Still early in the day and all smiles
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We winched the poor truck on its side; surprisingly it took little body damage
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Like I said in my posts, I've been turned away entirely from a local club because I have a 4-door. Not a trail, but a club.
I'll admit, when the 2007 Unlimiteds came out, I didn't think they'd do well on our tight trails b/c of the "school bus" proportions. However, IIRC, around 2008, I had a couple show up to run a few trails and they did fine (they were also pretty well set up with pretty tall (3.5"+) lifts, 37/38s, etc. They had to take a lot harder lines in some cases where the canyons were tight and that slowed the group down a bit, but they made bigger climbs look super easy due to the wheelbase. They also seemed to be getting more body damage (for obvious reasons), but if the owner didn't cry too much about it, it wasn't really a big deal either.

I wonder what would have happened had you showed up at a trail run. If they weren't dicks that wouldn't let you run, then you'd probably have showed them the same thing I learned....4 doors wheel just fine. They are limited in some aspects and excel in others...just like every other rig out there.
 
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Just wait until Jeep introduces a Wrangler with 20-INCH WHEELS and LOW-PROFILE TIRES!

Oops! Never mind. Too late...

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They are limited in some aspects and excel in others...just like every other rig out there.
Yea, that's really what it comes down to. I love my 4-door doing oversand stuff. I'd probably feel a little more nervous in a 2-door doing deep sand, to be honest. I like having the longer wheelbase for that kind of stuff, though not sure if that's just my personal feelings or if it actually helps.

I don't get the snobbery in my local area, though. Most of the "offroading" directly around here is just mud pits and stuff like that - very little rock crawling. If you go a bit further, you get to Rausch Creek, which is obviously awesome and more accepting in general, but not directly local to me.
 

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I don't look down on anyone for not buying a Rubicon. A different trim level is a better option for many people. I am however kinda snobby when I see a Rubicon with 20+" rims that wont ever leave pavement. I dont get why someone would spend the extra $$ and not use any of the features at all. Is it just for a decal and a cooler looking hood? To each his own though. Spend your money the way you want.


Have any of you folks that have experienced "snobbery" about your Jeep, been turned away from a trail run b/c you didn't have the "required" (I put it in quotes b/c often times the trail leader will dictate equipment) equipment?

Has anyone with a Rubicon been turned away for the same reason (usually someone requiring 1T axles and at least 39s)?

Just wondering.......
Some of the events I have done would not allow me to sign up online until I lied about tire size. My XJ has a 4.5" long arm and locker up front but the stock JK Rubi tire/wheel setup I had at the time was too small. Had to say they were 33s to sign up. Walked that thing up the toughest lines that the built JKs had a hard time with. Great wheelbase + lightweight + lots of clearance does wonders.

I get it though...If you are trying to get a large group of people down a tough trail, it gets annoying always having to wait on the same person to be winched up multiple obstacles or have to make repairs. Requiring large tires and/or axles for a trail just reduces the chance of that short trail run becoming an all day and night event.
 

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I get it though...If you are trying to get a large group of people down a tough trail, it gets annoying always having to wait on the same person to be winched up multiple obstacles or have to make repairs. Requiring large tires and/or axles for a trail just reduces the chance of that short trail run becoming an all day and night event.
I'm sorry but I totally disagree. Look at @chevymitchell who has taken a stock Rubicon on every trail in the country. If you require experience say you require experience. But don't blame it on equipment.
 

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I'm sorry but I totally disagree. Look at @chevymitchell who has taken a stock Rubicon on every trail in the country. If you require experience say you require experience. But don't blame it on equipment.
"Every" trail is an exaggeration obviously.

There are trails here, in UT and CA that I won't do in my buggy...they are that bad.

So, it does come down to equipment and willingness to endure the real possibility of expensive damage or personal injury.
 

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