It is done, 4xe no more.

[alphawolff]

Meanwhile, driving a new 392 while gas goes to $6.00/gallon in 2026. Then again, that 392 power and exhaust sound has unlimited smiles per gallon.

My 21 4xe got worse MPG driving cross country than my 21 392 did hauling a trailer with my toolbox in it.

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[ag4ever]

Well there is the simple matter of OP, still pocketed $7,500 from the tax payers.

And as OP stated, the 4xe actually sells for $30,000

OP willingly left $5,000 on the table

Just for clarity, I did not get any subsidies from the government. I bought the 4xe, not leased, and I am not in a tax bracket that allowed me to qualify. So... that $7,500 was never pocketed. And when purchased I think it was $10,000 but it was over 3 years ago, so I don't remember.

I was willing to leave $5,000 on the table for using an easy button and not having to deal with private tire kickers. One of those time vs money benefit analysis moments.

There were a lot of lessons learned with this one. And to be fair, I did really enjoy driving the 4xe. It just had quarks that irritated me and it did have a battery failure at the 24 month mark. That was the start of me not having faith in the vehicle as a whole. IF the Moab had not been released and IF reign was not also offered again, I would have kept the 4xe until the next battery failure and then bought a wrecked 392 and done a drivetrain swap. The jeep as a whole was in excellent shape with zero scratches and perfect interior. The only things not perfect was the windshield had been replaced with an aftermarket one (that was much more durable) and I installed a front hitch that required cutting the air dam under the bumper. The tires had 50% tread life remaining, which is shocking considering it has just under 38,000 miles and I don't drive like a little old lady from pasadena.

One of my annoyances was one my percieved selling points: silent driving. I wanted a jeep that would be silent for night hunting in Texas. I was planning to fold the windshield down and drive using thermals / night vision. We currently use a Polaris Ranger EV and this was planned as another option. Well, the first time I drove it in 'silent' mode and heard the power steering pump squeal I knew it would never be good for night hunting.

 

[gato]

Well, in preparation of my '26 Moab delivering, the '23 4xe has been sold.

$66k sticker price

$60k paid

$25k sold

Some serious depreciation! But, it is now in my rear view mirror!

After my wife and I left, she looked at me and said, "Can we agree to never buy another hybrid again?"

Well, but now you bought a $100K 392 for $80K, so there is order again in the Jeep universe.

 

[Sandevino]

Holy moly….58% depreciation. Congrats on the new 392!

 

[BXFXJeep]

Just for clarity, I did not get any subsidies from the government. I bought the 4xe, not leased, and I am not in a tax bracket that allowed me to qualify. So... that $7,500 was never pocketed. And when purchased I think it was $10,000 but it was over 3 years ago, so I don't remember.

I was willing to leave $5,000 on the table for using an easy button and not having to deal with private tire kickers. One of those time vs money benefit analysis moments.

There were a lot of lessons learned with this one. And to be fair, I did really enjoy driving the 4xe. It just had quarks that irritated me and it did have a battery failure at the 24 month mark. That was the start of me not having faith in the vehicle as a whole. IF the Moab had not been released and IF reign was not also offered again, I would have kept the 4xe until the next battery failure and then bought a wrecked 392 and done a drivetrain swap. The jeep as a whole was in excellent shape with zero scratches and perfect interior. The only things not perfect was the windshield had been replaced with an aftermarket one (that was much more durable) and I installed a front hitch that required cutting the air dam under the bumper. The tires had 50% tread life remaining, which is shocking considering it has just under 38,000 miles and I don't drive like a little old lady from pasadena.

One of my annoyances was one my percieved selling points: silent driving. I wanted a jeep that would be silent for night hunting in Texas. I was planning to fold the windshield down and drive using thermals / night vision. We currently use a Polaris Ranger EV and this was planned as another option. Well, the first time I drove it in 'silent' mode and heard the power steering pump squeal I knew it would never be good for night hunting.

These are mass market vehicles, and the resale value is based on sales to the masses where $7,500 + other regional subsidies is baked in regardless if the person benefited.

Used car dealers learn a hard lesson when they were buying our used Wranglers for premium prices 4-5 years ago, some even went bankrupt.

Hangout on this forum, and the general consensus is that buying a 5+ year JL is an extremely poor decision, this is a very different attitude compared to the YJ, TJ and JK forums.

Some people are even mocked when they complain their pre owned JL have weird issues.

At the end of the day these JLs ain't like Wranglers of the old that held value, because those were rare, people didn't flip Wranglers like people are flipping JLs.

The only reason I went from 2015 to 2018, and then again from 2018 to 2021, is because dealerships gave me pretty much what I paid for the Wranglers 3 years prior.

And the only reason I went from the 2007 JK to the 2016 JK was child seats and 2 door, and the only reason I went from the TJ to the JK was the TJ was stolen, the move from the YJ to TJ was obvious.

 

[svtrit]

hybrids do have good use, but it depends on the brand. We replaced our minivan with a Toyota Hybrid Sienna and we love it so far. 33 MPG in town in a minivan is amazing.
If only the cost to insure it didn’t eat up the $ saved on gas.

Jeep just got it wrong. Toyota does it right, and Ford was smart to put a Toyota system in their hybrids.

 

[Old Dogger]

After my wife and I left, she looked at me and said, "Can we agree to never buy another hybrid again?"

Great call.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

My 21 4xe got worse MPG driving cross country than my 21 392 did hauling a trailer with my toolbox in it.

Then of course, you have our use case, where the cost per mile for a lot of local driving on electric (and few long trips / limited highway use) converted to ~$1.88 per gallon equivalency.

hybrids do have good use, but it depends on the brand.

We'd definitely consider another one in the future. We seriously considered an X5 50e (before going with the iX), and that execution is stellar (40+ miles electric, highly effective/efficient highway recovery with people seeing 90+ miles on electric, smooth transition CE-to-Hybrid, total 500+ miles).

Heck, if our current 4xe ('24 Rubi) would've not had these recalls, we would've exited ownership with a "would recommend - with these caveats", I mean, this our second one (we had a '21 Sahara, no issues).

 

[sentience]

Congrats! Now repeat after me. "Lease a hybrid, lease a hybrid, lease a hybrid." You are welcome.

They can be good, they can be bad, they can be someone else's problem after 3 years.

Absolutely this. Lease a hybrid, lease an EV.

 

[TS2016]

I'm returning the 4xe lease in one week. For shits n giggles, I carmaxed the value. It was 20,500.00. Actually, I never had a problem and put 31k miles on it. But damn, I'm glad I leased it.

 

[Traveller128]

I'm returning the 4xe lease in one week. For shits n giggles, I carmaxed the value. It was 20,500.00. Actually, I never had a problem and put 31k miles on it. But damn, I'm glad I leased it.

The residuals for the current leases for our electrics and hybrids are guaranteeing right now that there will be used vehicles getting turned in. I drive a BEV, we got a great lease deal. The payoff out of the lease versus value would be ridiculous to pay. We're at .40/mile for down/monthly. Not including power and insurance. About .55/mile total cost for 45,000 miles for three years inclusive (tires, power, insurance, lease). Wear and tear don't matter, we give it back at the end of three years. It keeps 45,000 miles off our other vehicles when we retire. Will we buy or lease another one? Literally no need. We'll have paid off ICE vehicles with very low miles we won't need to replace. The BEV is a commuter that keeps the miles off the other vehicles. Overall cost is solid, no worries about trade value, no worries about maintenance, no worries about oil prices going up and we live in a state with a good power company that isn't bouncing the electricity off the limiter (yet).

If we were staying in the workaday world, maybe we'd get another one but only if the lease deal was really good. The current lease deals are okay, but for a less expensive car (smaller, lower priced). Without the $7500 incentive, the math for an ICE as a commuter edges it, but a much less expensive ICE.

 

[BXFXJeep]

hybrids do have good use, but it depends on the brand. We replaced our minivan with a Toyota Hybrid Sienna and we love it so far. 33 MPG in town in a minivan is amazing.
If only the cost to insure it didn’t eat up the $ saved on gas.

Jeep just got it wrong. Toyota does it right, and Ford was smart to put a Toyota system in their hybrids.

Toyota makes PHEVs similar to the 4xe, Toyota have a variety of different hybrids.

Jeep problem like all their vehicles, boils down to using parts.

The biggest problem is most people absolutely don't know anything about vehicles, and $7,500 is the government paying people, and their critics not to know what they are buying.

Mission accomplished.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Toyota makes PHEVs similar to the 4xe, Toyota have a variety of different hybrids.

Jeep problem like all their vehicles, boils down to using parts.

The biggest problem is most people absolutely don't know anything about vehicles, and $7,500 is the government paying people, and their critics not to know what they are buying.

Mission accomplished.

Before the issues with the 4xe batteries came to light, Samsung would have been considered a top tier battery manufacturer. You can't argue Jeep used shitty parts, at least not knowingly.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Then of course, you have our use case, where the cost per mile for a lot of local driving on electric (and few long trips / limited highway use) converted to ~$1.88 per gallon equivalency.

Correct.

Some people simply do not understand the basic purpose of a PHEV.

If used as designed, the electric use of the PHEV far outweigh any cross country MPG.

The minute MPG comes into the PHEV conversation, it means people don't know what they are talking about, they think, ICE, EV, PHEV, HEV etc all boils down to MPG.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Before the issues with the 4xe batteries came to light, Samsung would have been considered a top tier battery manufacturer. You can't argue Jeep used shitty parts, at least not knowingly.

They knew the parts were in 2023, but kept churning out the 4xe, battery failures also started early in the production, so Jeep knew, but kept churning out the 4xe.

Jeep lies a lot, so it's difficult to know what they knew and when.

But pretty much any 4xe built after the first fire recall was fraud.

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