2024 4xe is disappointing... gets no range increase

[JeepViking13]

It's honestly all over the place. It depends. But if I average it comes out to about 25 miles a day.

I always like to assume worst case on these. So assuming you drive 50 miles a day, (20 there, 20 back, 10 around town) you can basically subtract 21 miles from that at a cost of 14kwh x .18 cents or 2.52. then the remaining 29 miles at about 20 mpg for another 5.22 or so in gas and a total of 7.74. on gas alone you are at 9 dollars, so on a 50 mile drive you saved 1.25 for that day or 457 bucks a year.

If you only drive 25 miles a day then your cost is 3.24 for 4xe instead of 4.50, or still about 1.25 a day.

Your gas to electric costs are pretty high so you aren't saving much as compared to like us where my kwh is 12 cents but gas is 3.75.

So 5 years you've saved 2500 bucks, plus the 3750 on tax credit or 6250. Now just compare your gas model to the 4xe one you'd get to find price difference and decide if having V8 power and the extra creature comforts off sets the extra money.

Well it's a savings. But not that much. Like not enough to make me buy the 4xe over a different vehicle if I like the other vehicle better regardless of what it is. Like if I like the Bronco Sasquatch better or the Jeep Willys Xtreme Recon with the factory lifts and 35s or whatever for example. The savings isn't enough to sway me to the 4xe.

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[Deleted member 59498]

From reading others around here if you drive more than the 20 miles like road trips the 4xe gets really crappy mileage. Just like most of the Wranglers. So if you are just commuting back and forth 10 miles away to work guess it is perfect. But dies when you go further down the road to events or weekend get away.

Of course I don't own one so just what reading here has shown. But I don't see a single penny saved with the ridiculous cost of the 4xe.

 

[JeepViking13]

From reading others around here if you drive more than the 20 miles like road trips the 4xe gets really crappy mileage. Just like most of the Wranglers. So if you are just commuting back and forth 10 miles away to work guess it is perfect. But dies when you go further down the road to events or weekend get away.

Of course I don't own one so just what reading here has shown. But I don't see a single penny saved with the ridiculous cost of the 4xe.

I don't either. It wouldn't be worth it for me in my case.

 

[sdiver68]

As an investor in solar and battery tech for the past 30yrs myself, you are mistaken. Citations? Yes research is ongoing, but no magical solution is at hand. It will be a slow evolution, not a 15yr revolution. The battery tech we have now is OLD but it works in the required capable/cost/benefit/practicality sense and is what almost all EVs will be using for the mandated govt timelines.


Hmm. Are you are stating the US govt generating capacity numbers are wrong? Or, are you are stating that EVs can charge other EVs to alleviate any need to vastly expand the on-demand electrical capacity? That would be perpetual charging operation without power generation. SERIOUSLY????

Engineers and system operators disagree with you, as do the articles YOU referenced. CA blackouts already show they are behind the needs in that region. The math is quite simple unless you assume there is ZERO chance just 5% of potential future EVs all charge simultaneously. Think OTR trucking, for example.

Stop. Re-Read. Understand. Use ChatGPT if you need help. You will get there.

 

[laroo]

From reading others around here if you drive more than the 20 miles like road trips the 4xe gets really crappy mileage. Just like most of the Wranglers. So if you are just commuting back and forth 10 miles away to work guess it is perfect. But dies when you go further down the road to events or weekend get away.

Of course I don't own one so just what reading here has shown. But I don't see a single penny saved with the ridiculous cost of the 4xe.

Huh? Dies further down the road? It has a gas engine.

I paid a whopping $800 more than an equivalent 2.0 Rubicon when the rebate is included, which it is because that is money staying in my pocket. And I've easily saved $800 on gas over the last year. If you bought a 2021 or early 2022, you paid less than an equivalent Rubi. Prices have gone up as demand has stayed strong, and the decreased rebate certainly changes the math if purchased today.

The 4xe mileage for long trips is basically equivalent to the 2.0 if you drive in hybrid mode. If you drive in esave-hold, it might be a little worse, esave-charge is a little bit lower... or in my experience, very similar to what my 2019 3.6 got.

But the one thing the 4xe has going for it regardless of cost/efficiency... it makes driving a Jeep even more fun than it already is. Electric mode and it's silent operation, or blended mode and using the full HP/torque, both are an absolute blast. That's worth something, or we'd all be driving a Prius.

 

[Bleda2002]

But the one thing the 4xe has going for it regardless of cost/efficiency... it makes driving a Jeep even more fun than it already is. Electric mode and it's silent operation, or blended mode and using the full HP/torque, both are an absolute blast. That's worth something, or we'd all be driving a Prius.

This is the part people who haven't tried one don't get, especially lifted and on big tires. It's not just about the efficiency, it's about how much better the experience is

 

[sdiver68]

Huh? Dies further down the road? It has a gas engine.

I paid a whopping $800 more than an equivalent 2.0 Rubicon when the rebate is included, which it is because that is money staying in my pocket. And I've easily saved $800 on gas over the last year. If you bought a 2021 or early 2022, you paid less than an equivalent Rubi. Prices have gone up as demand has stayed strong, and the decreased rebate certainly changes the math if purchased today.

The 4xe mileage for long trips is basically equivalent to the 2.0 if you drive in hybrid mode. If you drive in esave-hold, it might be a little worse, esave-charge is a little bit lower... or in my experience, very similar to what my 2019 3.6 got.

But the one thing the 4xe has going for it regardless of cost/efficiency... it makes driving a Jeep even more fun than it already is. Electric mode and it's silent operation, or blended mode and using the full HP/torque, both are an absolute blast. That's worth something, or we'd all be driving a Prius.

So far, we are getting about 2-3 less MPG in esave-hold versus our prior 2.0. Only difference other than what is inherent with the vehicles is 17"/32" on our JLU Sport S vs 20"/33" on the 4XE Sahara but same tires (Falken Wildpeak AT3W).

 

[Deleted member 59498]

Huh? Dies further down the road? It has a gas engine.

I paid a whopping $800 more than an equivalent 2.0 Rubicon when the rebate is included, which it is because that is money staying in my pocket. And I've easily saved $800 on gas over the last year. If you bought a 2021 or early 2022, you paid less than an equivalent Rubi. Prices have gone up as demand has stayed strong, and the decreased rebate certainly changes the math if purchased today.

The 4xe mileage for long trips is basically equivalent to the 2.0 if you drive in hybrid mode.

THE MILEAGE DIES. Is that better? There is no benefit to owning it if you do road trips.

The Sahara 4xe was 60k when I bought my Rubicon Diesel for 52.

 

[laroo]

THE MILEAGE DIES. Is that better? There is no benefit to owning it if you do road trips.

The Sahara 4xe was 60k when I bought my Rubicon Diesel for 52.

Ha, that is better, because I didn't realize that's what you meant. Enough people here, with no experience, say things that are completely wrong. I try to correct that when I have the experience to do so.

But you're right, for long trips, the diesel is the right choice. Short trips, the 4xe. In between, it's time to do some research. Which is sometimes hard to do here with so much wrong info repeated in this forum. I would never comment on the diesel engine because I know nothing about it. And I completely understand that an individual's use case dictates which trim/engine is best for that person.

But this is the internet, so not sure I should expect only informed opinions. I just try to give my take to counteract bad info.

 

[Bzinsky]

There is also a thing called the Tyranny of the Rocket Equation that applies to battery-powered vehicles.

The more battery that's added, the more battery NEEDS to be added to offset the weight penalty.

More energy-dense cells, or lighter arrays are the ticket. More cells? Meh.

I am all too familiar with the rocket fuel problem.

I don’t find it applicable to EV’s, because EV’s don’t really care about mass all that much. Most of the energy used to accelerate said mass is recaptured during deceleration.

 

[Oceanic]

From reading others around here if you drive more than the 20 miles like road trips the 4xe gets really crappy mileage. Just like most of the Wranglers. So if you are just commuting back and forth 10 miles away to work guess it is perfect. But dies when you go further down the road to events or weekend get away.

Of course I don't own one so just what reading here has shown. But I don't see a single penny saved with the ridiculous cost of the 4xe.

Well, the 4xE is never going to be a Prius, but its fuel economy is better than other Wranglers on all but the longest of trips.

In gasoline-only mode, it gets a rated 20 mpg combined. I have no problem hitting that value in real-world conditions. This is right on the average for all pickup trucks and slightly above the median, but it's still not great. The regular 4 cylinder Wrangler does slightly better since it doesn't have to lug around the battery.

But the first 21 miles (actually a bit more than that) are energy-equivalent to 50 mpg. So, combined energy consumption "mileage" (gas consumption + MPGe) shakes out roughly as follows, assuming you start with a full charge:

distance (miles)
<20 = 50 mpg
25 = 36 mpg
50 = 26 mpg
100 = 22.5 mpg

And for the same distances, the actual gasoline consumption (which is what we're concerned with if climate change is on your mind) is:

<20 = 0
25 = 0.2 gallons
50 = 1.95 gallons
100 = 4 gallons (roughly)

Obviously, the 4xE is at its worst for very long (multi-day) road trips, but it's still equal to a regular Wrangler with a 6 cylinder engine and is actually better than my old '03 2-door with a 4 cylinder and a stick.

If you drive very long distances daily, it's not going to give you much benefit. But if you don't, it can work very well. Since I am fortunate enough to have a short commute (<20 miles) and an employer with charging gear, I basically never burn gas other than on weekends.

 

[speedymart]

From reading others around here if you drive more than the 20 miles like road trips the 4xe gets really crappy mileage. Just like most of the Wranglers. So if you are just commuting back and forth 10 miles away to work guess it is perfect. But dies when you go further down the road to events or weekend get away.

Of course I don't own one so just what reading here has shown. But I don't see a single penny saved with the ridiculous cost of the 4xe.

We drove our 21' 4xe cross country at around 80mph most of the way and it was sub 16mpg; was truly horrendous

 

[ag4ever]

Here is a list of other PHEV options:

Model	Range	MSRP
Audi Q5	23	$ 58,595
Bentley Bentayga	27	$ 200,025
Bentley Flying Spur	21	$ 217,525
BMW 330e	23	$ 45,895
BMW 530e	21	$ 58,595
BMW X3e	18	$ 49,545
BMW X5	31	$ 66,695
Chrysler Pacifica	32	$ 52,000
Ferrari 296GTB	10	$ 338,255
Ferrari SF90	9	$ 524,815
Ford C-Max	20	$ 25,050
Ford Escape	37	$ 41,995
Honda Clarity	48	$ 34,415
Hyundai Santa Fe	31	$ 43,445
Hyundai Tucson	33	$ 38,635
Jeep Grad Cherokee	26	$ 61,660
Jeep Wrangler	22	$ 56,530
Kia Niro	33	$ 35,165
Kia Sorento	32	$ 51,315
Lexus NX450h	37	$ 57,705
Lincoln Aviator	21	$ 71,585
Lincoln Corsair	28	$ 55,280
McLaren Artura	11	$ 237,500
Mini Cooper	18	$ 42,495
Mitsubishi Outlander	38	$ 41,190
Porsche Cayenne	17	$ 87,950
Porsche Panamera	19	$ 110,450
Subaru Crosstrek	17	$ 38,070
Toyota Prius	40	$ 32,000
Toyota RAV4	42	$ 43,675
Volvo S60/V60	40	$ 52,345
Volvo S90	38	$ 71,595
Volvo XC60	36	$ 58,295
Volvo XC90	36	$ 72,995

Personally, I think Jeep got it right. I don't see any other off-road capable vehicle on the list. And the ranges vary from a dismal 9 mile range to a high of 48. Looks to me like the Wrangler was designed to be in the middle.

 

[ag4ever]

We drove our 21' 4xe cross country at around 80mph most of the way and it was sub 16mpg; was truly horrendous

I doubt a non-4xe would have netted much better mileage at 80 MPH. Plus, the 4xe is not a good cross country vehicle. It is really a short distance commuter vehicle that can also go long distances.

 

[laroo]

Here is a list of other PHEV options:

Model	Range	MSRP
Audi Q5	23	$ 58,595
Bentley Bentayga	27	$ 200,025
Bentley Flying Spur	21	$ 217,525
BMW 330e	23	$ 45,895
BMW 530e	21	$ 58,595
BMW X3e	18	$ 49,545
BMW X5	31	$ 66,695
Chrysler Pacifica	32	$ 52,000
Ferrari 296GTB	10	$ 338,255
Ferrari SF90	9	$ 524,815
Ford C-Max	20	$ 25,050
Ford Escape	37	$ 41,995
Honda Clarity	48	$ 34,415
Hyundai Santa Fe	31	$ 43,445
Hyundai Tucson	33	$ 38,635
Jeep Grad Cherokee	26	$ 61,660
Jeep Wrangler	22	$ 56,530
Kia Niro	33	$ 35,165
Kia Sorento	32	$ 51,315
Lexus NX450h	37	$ 57,705
Lincoln Aviator	21	$ 71,585
Lincoln Corsair	28	$ 55,280
McLaren Artura	11	$ 237,500
Mini Cooper	18	$ 42,495
Mitsubishi Outlander	38	$ 41,190
Porsche Cayenne	17	$ 87,950
Porsche Panamera	19	$ 110,450
Subaru Crosstrek	17	$ 38,070
Toyota Prius	40	$ 32,000
Toyota RAV4	42	$ 43,675
Volvo S60/V60	40	$ 52,345
Volvo S90	38	$ 71,595
Volvo XC60	36	$ 58,295
Volvo XC90	36	$ 72,995

Personally, I think Jeep got it right. I don't see any other off-road capable vehicle on the list. And the ranges vary from a dismal 9 mile range to a high of 48. Looks to me like the Wrangler was designed to be in the middle.

If the Ferrari SF90 got 12 miles electric, I'd have one in my garage. But 9 miles... F that.

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