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Toyota’s only have a good reliability rating because of their owners. And the fact that they make white bread everything. They are people who keep cars in garages, religiously take them to dealers for maintenance, baby them and fix stuff when it breaks.

Nissan may make a decent car, but their owners are trash. They finance anyone and so they have these horrible owners who don’t take care of their cars and crash them into anything they can find. So while Nissan may be ok (IMO not great) their owners make things 10000xs worse.

It’s like that person who got their parents or grandparents hand me down 1989 GM product with 200k on it. They hated it. They beat it to shit. Didn’t take care of it, had to fix stuff on it all the time and called all GMs junk. Saying how they will buy a Toyota next time. Well, shocker, their brand new Toyota doesn’t need a whole lot of attention. And they take care of it. Giving the false impression of superior reliability. No shit that a new car from 2020+ is going to be nicer and more reliable than a 20 year old neglected car

FCA makes some trash vehicles. But the wrangler ain’t it, bud. Especially when we are talking about pentastar wranglers. Pentastar itself is a fantastically reliable motor.

GM has made some of the worst back alley abortion vehicles ever. And I consider myself primarily a GM guy (currently have 5) with My wrangler and 2 Toyota’s.

magazines/reviews have had a clear bias towards anything Not American for about 4 decades now. The ratings of the Pontiac Vibe and the Toyota Matrix prove it. The vibe was rated at 4 stars while Matrix was 5. Literally identical cars besides badging.

you can think you made a horrible unreliable vehicle purchase all you want. But fact is You didn’t. You bought one of the most reliable vehicles with THE absolute best resale value for non niche vehicles. Just so happens you can offroad it, take doors and top off it and have fun with it too while not always having to fix it. Which is why I bought mine.
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Toyota’s only have a good reliability rating because of their owners. And the fact that they make white bread everything. They are people who keep cars in garages, religiously take them to dealers for maintenance, baby them and fix stuff when it breaks.

Nissan may make a decent car, but their owners are trash. They finance anyone and so they have these horrible owners who don’t take care of their cars and crash them into anything they can find. So while Nissan may be ok (IMO not great) their owners make things 10000xs worse.

It’s like that person who got their parents or grandparents hand me down 1989 GM product with 200k on it. They hated it. They beat it to shit. Didn’t take care of it, had to fix stuff on it all the time and called all GMs junk. Saying how they will buy a Toyota next time. Well, shocker, their brand new Toyota doesn’t need a whole lot of attention. And they take care of it. Giving the false impression of superior reliability. No shit that a new car from 2020+ is going to be nicer and more reliable than a 20 year old neglected car

FCA makes some trash vehicles. But the wrangler ain’t it, bud. Especially when we are talking about pentastar wranglers. Pentastar itself is a fantastically reliable motor.

GM has made some of the worst back alley abortion vehicles ever. And I consider myself primarily a GM guy (currently have 5) with My wrangler and 2 Toyota’s.

magazines/reviews have had a clear bias towards anything Not American for about 4 decades now. The ratings of the Pontiac Vibe and the Toyota Matrix prove it. The vibe was rated at 4 stars while Matrix was 5. Literally identical cars besides badging.

you can think you made a horrible unreliable vehicle purchase all you want. But fact is You didn’t. You bought one of the most reliable vehicles with THE absolute best resale value for non niche vehicles. Just so happens you can offroad it, take doors and top off it and have fun with it too while not always having to fix it. Which is why I bought mine.
I agree with much of what you have said here. But despite the fact that you are right about different owners and the "new car effect", all these rankings we've discussed look only at new cars. So unless you want try to make the claim that only "trash" owners buy Jeeps and only "religious" owners buy Chevys, there's still a major discrepancy here.

Also want to clarify, again, that I don't consider the Wrangler to be "unreliable". I don't think it's that bad really, it's actually the company that makes it that I have the biggest issue with. That said, there is endless evidence here and in objective studies to show that it absolutely is NOT "one of the most reliable vehicles". And really, that's ok. Like I said, I didn't buy a Wrangler cause I wanted a high quality reliable vehicle. I have my truck and my Cadillac sedan to cover that role...so when the inevitable issue comes up that leaves the Wrangler sitting at the dealer for weeks, both my wife and I still have vehicles to drive. We chose the Wrangler because we both really liked it, and despite being one of the coolest vehicles out there, it's also among the more practical. There are not a lot of vehicles out there that are both super cool AND super practical. Usually you have to choose one or the other.

So its like I always say - I still love my Wrangler and will be keeping it as long as it is practical to do so. I'm just realistic about the vehicles I own. My GM's are boring but will never let me down. My Wrangler is much less of a "rock", but much more entertaining.
 

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106000km on mine(65000miles) with just regular oil changes i haven't had one issue with the motor. It idles perfectly with no ticks or knocks.

Knock on wood. hopefully it stays that way.
 

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13,300 miles and my rocker arm blew…

I’ll find out Monday whether or not I need a new engine
 

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Just had an 3.6 fail at 35k kms. The reported reason is oil ingestion. The motor will draw oil from the right hand bank if on a slope for too long resulting in heavy knocking.
 

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And yet catch cans are deemed non essential and laughed at.
 
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Yea, but it has nothing to do with the issue that killed his motor. Which, had a catch can installed.
The PCV is allowing large amounts of oil to travel to the intake, with or without a catch can. I shouldn't have to have a catch can installed.
 

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The PCV is allowing large amounts of oil to travel to the intake, with or without a catch can. I shouldn't have to have a catch can installed.
You are using your jeep in a manner not intended, so some modifications may be necessary.
 

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Yes newer Jeeps are not intended to be driven in extreme off road situations .
Of course they aren’t. Neither are the old ones. That’s why the aftermarket exists. A stock YJ sits about as far above the ground as a Honda Pilot.
 

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Of course they aren’t. Neither are the old ones. That’s why the aftermarket exists. A stock YJ sits about as far above the ground as a Honda Pilot.
When i compared my 03 Rubicon to my 18 Rubicon it was very apparent . never seen a Honda Pilot off road .
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