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The clutch might not be a problem. If the shop pulls the slave off, have them check to see if the throwout bearing fork doesn't have a strange amount of play. If it appears to have an abnormal amount of play, the diaphram (fingers) of the clutch may be sinking, which could then appear that the clutch couldn't be depressed enough to fully release. A phone call to your clutch maker's tech support by your shop mechanic might help him diagnose it. Get the clutch maker's tech support number handy.
I agree it may not necessarily be the clutch. At this point everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else and it's frustrating. I wish I just had a shop I could trust to look at it and tell me exactly what is wrong.
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I agree it may not necessarily be the clutch. At this point everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else and it's frustrating. I wish I just had a shop I could trust to look at it and tell me exactly what is wrong.
Not sure you haven't already seen this... but it may give you some idea of what's going on or what the considerations were for the ACT clutch design. time hack 2:53 is about the spring diaphram design.

 

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I agree it may not necessarily be the clutch. At this point everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else and it's frustrating. I wish I just had a shop I could trust to look at it and tell me exactly what is wrong.
I hear good things about Lloyd's transmission in Tucson.
 

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I agree it may not necessarily be the clutch. At this point everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else and it's frustrating. I wish I just had a shop I could trust to look at it and tell me exactly what is wrong.
That’s always a potential problem if you supply your parts for a shop to install. You save money because shops mark parts up, but shops are way more likely to say “the install was correct. Must be an issue with the parts YOU supplied” and the parts manufacturer “the parts we sold you were good. Must be a problem with the shop YOU went to”.
 

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That’s always a potential problem if you supply your parts for a shop to install. You save money because shops mark parts up, but shops are way more likely to say “the install was correct. Must be an issue with the parts YOU supplied” and the parts manufacturer “the parts we sold you were good. Must be a problem with the shop YOU went to”.
Yes that was the risk I took and it doesn't seem to be working out. If I were giving anyone else future advice I'd say only buy an aftermarket clutch if you know how to do the work yourself. I thought I did my research but I just didn't do enough and am paying for it now for sure.
 

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Yes that was the risk I took and it doesn't seem to be working out. If I were giving anyone else future advice I'd say only buy an aftermarket clutch if you know how to do the work yourself. I thought I did my research but I just didn't do enough and am paying for it now for sure.
I’m in a similar boat. The shop I went to is the one everyone recommends within an ~8 hour drive. I have to shift slowly and methodically, and sometimes there’s a little chatter or it’s rough or there’s great resistance shifting; if I try to shift quickly there’s almost always an issue around 1st-3rd.

I also have more faith in the clutch itself than the shop currently, as there have been other issues directly related to work done by that shop. At this point I just want a garage so I can work on it myself.
 
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Really interesting. The same thing happens with mine. In the morning when it’s cold, it drives great. No grinding or rough shifts and no groaning during takeoff. As the day goes on, shifting gets much worse and the noise gets much worse as well.
This, and the symptoms others are describing, indicates a clutch actuation issue. Syncro's either work or they don't, they're really not temperature dependent. The hydraulic clutch runs brake fluid, which will over time absorb moisture; this moisture can under higher temps with older moisture contaminated fluid boil, and severely reduce clutch actuation; braking performance decreases with this as well. . Perform a complete fluid flush and see if it cures the issue.
 

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This, and the symptoms others are describing, indicates a clutch actuation issue. Syncro's either work or they don't, they're really not temperature dependent. The hydraulic clutch runs brake fluid, which will over time absorb moisture; this moisture can under higher temps with older moisture contaminated fluid boil, and severely reduce clutch actuation; braking performance decreases with this as well. . Perform a complete fluid flush and see if it cures the issue.
It all seems logical. I'm just wondering why this this exact issue has happened to multiple people with ACT installs. Have they all gotten installed incorrectly to then cause issues with the hydraulics? Is it just a coincidence that we just all got unlucky with the hydraulics and happened to have the same clutch installed?

At the moment my Jeep is not driving. It went from working perfect on Wednesday after a re-bleed to not going in or out of gear at all. So something is leaking or air is getting in somewhere.
 

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It all seems logical. I'm just wondering why this this exact issue has happened to multiple people with ACT installs. Have they all gotten installed incorrectly to then cause issues with the hydraulics? Is it just a coincidence that we just all got unlucky with the hydraulics and happened to have the same clutch installed?

At the moment my Jeep is not driving. It went from working perfect on Wednesday after a re-bleed to not going in or out of gear at all. So something is leaking or air is getting in somewhere.
As far as I know, it's an install problem. @chevymitchell has installed numerous of the ACT clutches for forum members and I haven't heard of any problems. When the time comes I might make the trip to Colorado...
 

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As far as I know, it's an install problem. @chevymitchell has installed numerous of the ACT clutches for forum members and I haven't heard of any problems. When the time comes I might make the trip to Colorado...
Maybe ACT should open up an install shop. I bet people would pay to take it there to get these installed. Or at least have a list of local shops that they work with to do installs. Would save a lot of grief, time and money for some folks.
 

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Maybe ACT should open up an install shop. I bet people would pay to take it there to get these installed. Or at least have a list of local shops that they work with to do installs. Would save a lot of grief, time and money for some folks.
ACT didn’t do the original install on mine but they did look at my JL after the initial install as I was having major issues. Currently, I am having issues with rough shifting in my jeep again.
 

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It all seems logical. I'm just wondering why this this exact issue has happened to multiple people with ACT installs. Have they all gotten installed incorrectly to then cause issues with the hydraulics? Is it just a coincidence that we just all got unlucky with the hydraulics and happened to have the same clutch installed?

At the moment my Jeep is not driving. It went from working perfect on Wednesday after a re-bleed to not going in or out of gear at all. So something is leaking or air is getting in somewhere.
Aftermarket clutches, like ACT, have a higher clamping force; and thus take more slave pressure to operate. If the hydraulic fluid is marginal; this could be the issue.
 
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If I were to do it all over I would have just left the stock clutch until it was showing problems. I bought my 21 after the first two recalls thinking the problems surely were solved. Mine never had issues but I hated the vague engagement point and the jerk of the dual mass flywheel at low speeds. The 3rd recall comes and Jeep decides to replace the obvious under-designed clutch with the same part and add a further software handicap. I heard stories of Jeep reimbursing the replacement of the factory clutch with aftermarket and figured it was a good option since mine was over a year out to be replaced based on how they staggered the recall. This was in addition to the benefits of the aftermarket setup would provide. I appreciate the aftermarket stepping in to try to solve this fiasco. I will say ACT did their best treat me right when their first clutch was defective sending me a replacement in addition to refunding me the purchase price of the original essentially covering the labor cost of the replacement. However the replacement is now giving me issues. Is that fault of the part or the install? There are arguments on both sides. We all must acknowledge the risk/reward of going aftermarket. As stated in this thread there are likely plenty of happy customers with aftermarket clutches experiencing no issues but nobody can guarantee going the aftermarket route will be without issue. I appreciate that those of us that had issues could be dealing with incompetent installers and if you are really convinced you want to go the aftermarket route I’d suggest going with a shop who has installed more than a handful of the particular clutch you are looking at. Otherwise short of one of these companies listing a group of authorized installers or offering installation themselves I don’t believe we will ever have a guaranteed solution to this problem. I will drive my current setup until I find a replacement vehicle or it decides to lock up like Sadrobot. At that point I have it towed to the dealer and tell them to diagnose. If they say it’s the clutch I’ll tell them to complete the clutch recall since the teardown work to that point should be already covered by the recall. Several companies have come to market and several have had issues documented here even if it’s just a vocal few. I wish the best to those that are struggling with this decision but if you are truly set on staying with the manual Jeep I say live with the shortcomings of the stock setup. At least you have the piece of mind that it will be covered via warranty or recall in the end.
 

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Aftermarket clutches, like ACT, have a higher clamping force; and thus take more slave pressure to operate. If the hydraulic fluid is marginal; this could be the issue.
Should these higher clamping force clutches then come with their own slave cylinders to prevent issues with the hydraulics?
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