Has it Happened

[Twisted10]

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[AndySpill]

I freely tell bigger men than you exactly where they can shove it on a regular basis.

Threatening violence, the hallmark of the idiot.

A couple of points.

1) If you verbally insult people bigger then you (or me) on a regular basis then you're stupid, even if facts are on your side but especially if they're not.

2) You haven't rebutted with a single factual point. You're an angry mechanic who clearly does not understand "ship from shinola" that this very modification is essentially what appears in other single AGM battery JLs, for all its "terrible implications." There's a jumper from N1 to N2 in such models and they're absent a PDC (do you know what that stands for by now.)

3) And this one is the beauty. You claim to verbally insult others and risk violence, while at the same time claiming that I effect same: I don't. Let's reread.

"People, at least not sober ones, tend to not act like the douches that anonymity protects them with here, at gatherings where they're face to face with someone, fearful their comments may earn them a black eye."

That's written in the 3rd person (do you know what that means: 3rd person.) It doesn't say or imply that their comments to me would result in me punching them out. It says that others keep their mouths shut in face to face gatherings with anyone, for fear of an altercation. But thanks for playing. Work on the reading comprehension.

@mwilk012, @Terrymo, @THAW let's find those internet memes and post them. After all, when you have no facts you've got to resort to using someone else's words and pictures. And @Terrymo, it's not that someone disagrees with me (your last meme.) I've even shown examples of how that's fine. It's when ignorant people on subject matter with bad attitudes get schooled that I respond.

Now @mwilk012, run along, read all of this https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/3-6l-ess-dual-battery-consolidated-information.25377/ before adding more of your opinions on this to the thread.

...wouldn't service a vehicle with this change...would you fail to service one where the owner removed the cigarette lighter too?

Do you realize how stupid you guys look to casual readers here? People are saying that Andy's putting up science and your putting up somebody else's pictures in response. Do you have any idea how little your pathetic group dynamics effect me?

Follow mom's advice. Use your words.

 

[AndySpill]

But DOES IT require words? Let’s try drawing a simple picture:

I get the comedy Jeff; really I do. We'd have to both agree that nobody could actually follow this, anyone than if it was written to better illustrate disconnection of the Aux battery it still wouldn't explain why this is helpful, what it addresses, why it addresses it, what its downside are, when it is and isn't indicated..etc.

 

[AndySpill]

Terrible analogy. It’s not sinking in. This is a pretty straightforward case. You’re bringing (or brought and grasping for straws) something that did NOT come from the factory to the dealership to fix. You want a new battery under warranty, said “bad” battery has clearly been altered from its factory state, dealer says to take a hike. But if the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a hill you want to die on, good luck. Now if you brought it in for death wobble, they likely won’t care what you did to your batteries. You’re continuing to embarrass yourself.

Yeah @siggy I already explained why I don't agree with you when @THAW drew the same conclusion you have. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Please go read https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/has-it-happened.154662/post-3195695

That said, let's tackle some of your thoughts. The fact that Aux bypass doesn't come from the factory and a bum tire on a new Wrangler does, does not negate the fact that both fixes (changing the tire or bypassing the Aux) not only don't cause further harm, they potentially mitigate it...the very harm (see if you are still following here)

that dealerships have a right to get frustrated with when people make changes that cause or worsen problems that they end up not wanting to be on the hook for, which is only fair.

"You want a new battery under warranty, said “bad” battery has clearly been altered from its factory state, dealer says to take a hike."

Let's play this one out champ. Before I do, do you truly understand the modification here (I wonder.) Here's a scenario. I'd like $5 for every time its been reported here:

An astute new owner who reads this forum notices voltages drops off of either their main battery or both batteries testes. That owner takes off the cable from the main battery's negative terminal to the Aux on places a load tester on the positive of the main and the loose cable, testing the Aux in isolation. The load test fails (wow is this common.) Now the load tester goes on only the main batteries terminals (testing only the main) and it succeeds.

The owner then wraps up the loose cable, pulls Fuse 42 (the very change discussed here), and makes an appointment at the dealer for a new Aux battery, his actions likely saving the dealer from having to also swap the main: the Aux no longer connected to potentially cannibalize it. And service is denied because " said “bad” battery has clearly been altered from its factory state?"

No. It doesn't. Maybe Jeep Cares (maybe) has to get involved. Stellantis doesn't want it getting out that coverage was denied on such a problematic system that the customer took steps to mitigate further damage on.

As far as Magnuson-Moss is concerned, you're quoting me back. I already said that despite the onus on the servicer to prove the modification caused the problem, the plaintiff hiring lawyers can make pursuing such a claim difficult.

@siggy, even Genesis Offroad claims few if any customers turned away for service from their electrical system modifications which are far more a modification than a cable and fuse pull as here. I would agree that in that case the dealer has every right, and probably doesn't take on electrical system repairs.

 

[AndySpill]

+1

The dealer does not deny a warranty claim, Jeep does. The dealer is reimbursed from Jeep for parts and allotted labor for a warranty repair. The dealer only cares who is paying them for the work as they do not work for free. This can be you the owner or Jeep (under warranty).

@Balibe: the issue at hand is if the owner is denied warranty coverage or denied service outside of coverage. Who authorizes, who pays....thanks...sorta of tangential here. Does the owner care who paid for the coverage they got?

The point is a dealer is the one to tell you "no" if corporate does. Does the cost of the repair out of pocket differ regardless of who says no and who decides no..really?

You clearly modified the factory battery/electrical system while under warranty.

...and I can see, you possibly not understanding the nature of this change why you would think this way.

Read the scenario here https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/has-it-happened.154662/post-3196451 it's one where the astute owner saves the main battery because the Aux is defected and may cannibalize it given its factory parallel connection to it. And you may agree (or not) that in this one scenario, yes, warranties will be honored.

But the point is that this Aux battery bypass does no harm and often mitigates it based on a crappy design Stellantis is well aware of has caused countless service issues, and I'll bet, were Stellantis to do it all over again, they'd at least consider reengineering.

Accept the circumstances, bite the bullet and pay for the issue.

I run factory dual batteries and ESS events. The question that got this thread going this doesn't apply to me. I've said that repeatedly. The "circumstances" you report hasn't been reported on this forum in any place I've seen and this modification has been out since 2018. Not a single person has come to this thread (the very inspiration for its being authored) to say, yes, I was denied coverage.

Now, in fairness, I'll certainly concede that if you have a bum Aux battery on a new JL, disconnect it and bring it in for service, that dealer may swap out both batteries and reconnect things as per factory, but I don't think you'll be turned away.

No need to attack every person that responds in this thread. The people posting did not tell you to modify your Jeep and void a warranty.

As stated, I haven't modified my Wrangler. I haven't attack anyone, although I've been "attacked."

Some people have not only veered off course from the original question (which is fine it happens, sometimes I do it too) but have said things that are outright wrong, their ignorance of this modification only being surpassed by their arrogance.

...and they got schooled.

Lets reset @siggy. Here's the original utterly harmless question. Maybe I should have made it a yes/no survey question but I wanted details if the answer was "Yes."

The question sought to give those contemplating this change the courage to do so in that the service department won't be likely to turn their back on you. Again, it doesn't apply to my setup.

Curious, has anyone heard of or experienced a dealership denying service on a factory dual AGM battery JL simply because the owner presented the vehicle with a disconnected Aux battery and Fuse 42 setup (or, effectively the same thing, a fused jumper from N1 to N2 in the PDC)? TIA

 

[Wbino]

This thread is like HAL from 2001 when he went crazy and tried to kill the crew.

 

[AndySpill]

This thread is like HAL from 2001 when he went crazy and tried to kill the crew.

I couldn't care less if this comment applies to me or participants here.

That said, your wrong, as no place in 2001: A Space Odyssey, by either computer or human, was the intent to taunt ever portrayed. Your thoughts:

" You sound like whatever the male version of a Karen is, and I engage only for my own enjoyment."

You're not here to discuss facts. Your here seeking a kick. Sad really.

@THAW do you appreciate how sad you look liking other people's attacks over coming to the thread with words/facts as requested and I do? Do you understand how people read hear versus comment and see this as pathetic? This hurts your clout here, not mine.

 

[Wbino]

I couldn't care less if this comment applies to me or or participants

That said, your wrong, as no place in 2001: A Space Odyssey, by either computer or human, was the intent to taunt ever portrayed. Your thoughts:

" You sound like whatever the male version of a Karen is, and I engage only for my own enjoyment."

You're not here to discuss facts. Your here seeking a kick. Sad really.

 

[DaltonGang]

This thread, in a nutshell.

 

[Wabujitsu]

I get the comedy Jeff; really I do. We'd have to both agree that nobody could actually follow this, anyone than if it was written to better illustrate disconnection of the Aux battery it still wouldn't explain why this is helpful, what it addresses, why it addresses it, what its downside are, when it is and isn't indicated..etc.

Andy, you’re over-thinking it, brother! I was only trying to inject some much-needed humor into a thread that was becoming contentious. Peace.

 

[DaltonGang]

I couldn't care less if this comment applies to me or participants here.

That said, your wrong, as no place in 2001: A Space Odyssey, by either computer or human, was the intent to taunt ever portrayed. Your thoughts:

" You sound like whatever the male version of a Karen is, and I engage only for my own enjoyment."

You're not here to discuss facts. Your here seeking a kick. Sad really.

@THAW do you appreciate how sad you look liking other people's attacks over coming to the thread with words/facts as requested and I do? Do you understand how people read hear versus comment and see this as pathetic? This hurts your clout here, not mine.

You are dealing with professional internet agitators. Some are retired, and have no life, other than trying to antagonize other people. Some just love watching you try to defend every word you've ever said on this forum. Don't get sucked in further.

 

[Wbino]

Some here don't play well with others....

 

[Twisted10]

 

[ASSFROW]

Yeah @siggy I already explained why I don't agree with you when @THAW drew the same conclusion you have. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Please go read https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/has-it-happened.154662/post-3195695

That said, let's tackle some of your thoughts. The fact that Aux bypass doesn't come from the factory and a bum tire on a new Wrangler does, does not negate the fact that both fixes (changing the tire or bypassing the Aux) not only don't cause further harm, they potentially mitigate it...the very harm (see if you are still following here)

that dealerships have a right to get frustrated with when people make changes that cause or worsen problems that they end up not wanting to be on the hook for, which is only fair.

"You want a new battery under warranty, said “bad” battery has clearly been altered from its factory state, dealer says to take a hike."

Let's play this one out champ. Before I do, do you truly understand the modification here (I wonder.) Here's a scenario. I'd like $5 for every time its been reported here:

An astute new owner who reads this forum notices voltages drops off of either their main battery or both batteries testes. That owner takes off the cable from the main battery's negative terminal to the Aux on places a load tester on the positive of the main and the loose cable, testing the Aux in isolation. The load test fails (wow is this common.) Now the load tester goes on only the main batteries terminals (testing only the main) and it succeeds.

The owner then wraps up the loose cable, pulls Fuse 42 (the very change discussed here), and makes an appointment at the dealer for a new Aux battery, his actions likely saving the dealer from having to also swap the main: the Aux no longer connected to potentially cannibalize it. And service is denied because " said “bad” battery has clearly been altered from its factory state?"

No. It doesn't. Maybe Jeep Cares (maybe) has to get involved. Stellantis doesn't want it getting out that coverage was denied on such a problematic system that the customer took steps to mitigate further damage on.

As far as Magnuson-Moss is concerned, you're quoting me back. I already said that despite the onus on the servicer to prove the modification caused the problem, the plaintiff hiring lawyers can make pursuing such a claim difficult.

@siggy, even Genesis Offroad claims few if any customers turned away for service from their electrical system modifications which are far more a modification than a cable and fuse pull as here. I would agree that in that case the dealer has every right, and probably doesn't take on electrical system repairs.

LOL, testes.

 

[Wbino]

If aholes could fly this would be a airplane forum.

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