Halogen to LED upgrade

[njohnson6425]

I have a 2023 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. It was almost fully loaded. The only thing it doesn't have is the LED light group. I contacted my local Jeep dealership and all the LEDs will be available in a few days. Total cost for the LED headlights, foglights, left and right turn signals in the fenders and the LED tail lights are $3600 after taxes (without dealer installation and $650 for installation) My question is do these have to be programmed onces installed or are they plug-n-play ready to go? I found all the exact same lights for $2600 if I can just plug then in and be good to go

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[Rustynail11]

they need to be programmed at the dealer or with a Tazer (or something similiar) If you are patient and search the forums and FB marketplace you can get all the lights a lot cheaper. I bought the OEM LED Fogs for $75.00 and the Fender LEDS for $100. I went after market with headlights but OEM can be found $400-600 and the tail lights can be found for $300-$450. You could save quite a bit of $$ with some patience and then use that $$ for other mods

Quick search on Facebook Market Place (searched my area) and the light sets purchased separately was about $1300 for Headlights, fogs, fender, and tail lights. All OEM LED

 

[HK1s]

3600 is crazy, 2600 still crazy. you can get something much better for the price. installation take about 2 hours working slowly, so about 300 per hour in labor cost.

the oem halo ring in main headlight is prone to yellowing.

For the fender lights and fog lamps, There are no meaningful improvement over the halogen housing if you replace the bulbs with led. they are more of a cosmetic upgrade.

for the tail lamps, if you are not getting the blind spot monitor integrate I see no reason to replace with oem.

OEM lights can sometime come cheap because people take them off, buying new oem lights is a no no.

they are mostly plug and play for MY23, but if you are doing such a job it make sense to get a programmer anyway. jscan setup would be $100 or tazer S300. having the programmer yourself would be lot more handy later on. change settings, calibration, and do diagnostic etc.

 

[Wabujitsu]

I have a 2023 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. It was almost fully loaded. The only thing it doesn't have is the LED light group. I contacted my local Jeep dealership and all the LEDs will be available in a few days. Total cost for the LED headlights, foglights, left and right turn signals in the fenders and the LED tail lights are $3600 after taxes (without dealer installation and $650 for installation) My question is do these have to be programmed onces installed or are they plug-n-play ready to go? I found all the exact same lights for $2600 if I can just plug then in and be good to go

I replaced the halogen bulbs with LED bulbs for $40. The result is PERFECT. If you want the Amazon links to the bulbs, let me know.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

I have a 2023 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. It was almost fully loaded. The only thing it doesn't have is the LED light group. I contacted my local Jeep dealership and all the LEDs will be available in a few days. Total cost for the LED headlights, foglights, left and right turn signals in the fenders and the LED tail lights are $3600 after taxes (without dealer installation and $650 for installation) My question is do these have to be programmed onces installed or are they plug-n-play ready to go? I found all the exact same lights for $2600 if I can just plug then in and be good to go

I got all my LED lights from China. Bought them all on month two of ownership. I've had zero issues with any of them for almost 2 years now.

LED light bulbs I replaced are as follows:

Headlights: $16 free shipping
Fog Lights (pair of 2 bulbs): $7 free shipping
Brake lights (pack of 10 LED bulbs): $5 free shipping
Backup bulbs (pair of 2): $8 free shipping

Total Cost: $36

All the bulbs I purchased are canbus chip included hyperblink-free LED bulbs. Meaning you don't need to buy some stupid bulky resistor. Best part is because the OEM headlights on the halogen Wranglers are reflective assemblies, when you insert an LED bulb they are in fact brighter than if you spent the money and purchased the LED headlight assemblies.


Why anybody would spend a ridiculous amount of money when they could have just spent $36 for the exact same outcome is beyond me, but to each their own I guess.

 

[Upnarms]

I got all my LED lights from China. Bought them all on month two of ownership. I've had zero issues with any of them for almost 2 years now.

LED light bulbs I replaced are as follows:

Headlights: $16 free shipping
Fog Lights (pair of 2 bulbs): $7 free shipping
Brake lights (pack of 10 LED bulbs): $5 free shipping
Backup bulbs (pair of 2): $8 free shipping

Total Cost: $36

All the bulbs I purchased are canbus chip included hyperblink-free LED bulbs. Meaning you don't need to buy some stupid bulky resistor. Best part is because the OEM headlights on the halogen Wranglers are reflective assemblies, when you insert an LED bulb they are in fact brighter than if you spent the money and purchased the LED headlight assemblies.


Why anybody would spend a ridiculous amount of money when they could have just spent $36 for the exact same outcome is beyond me, but to each their own I guess.

For the tail lights, turn signals, that may be fine. But I guarantee the factory LED headlights will blow away the led inserts in those halogen headlight reflectors. No comparison. The factory LED headlights are amazing. I bought take offs for $400 and did the switch. Used a tazer, but when my vehicle went in for warranty work one time, I had them flash it as well as the aux switches so I didn't have to worry about it if I disconnect the tazer. Without the tazer or reflash, strange things happen like a blinking right headlamp, high beams would cut off the lows, etc.

 

[Xorak]

I would install the Oracle headlights and fog lights and leave the rest alone. Maaaaybe replace the front DRL and turn signal with LED bulbs. I put the Oracle headlights and fog lights in our yellow Jeep and they are superior to the OEM lights in every way.

I only swapped our Sahara out to OEM LED because I scored stupid deals on each of the components. If I hadn't gotten them all so cheap, I'd have done Oracle lights in that one too.

 

[Obi Wan]

Total cost for the LED headlights, foglights, left and right turn signals in the fenders and the LED tail lights are $3600 after taxes (without dealer installation and $650 for installation)

 

[MitsJeep]

Buy the oracle setup and be done at (IMO) a way cheaper price.

 

[BRuby]

I replaced the halogen bulbs with LED bulbs for $40. The result is PERFECT. If you want the Amazon links to the bulbs, let me know.

Same

Excellent cut-off + colour + lumen brightness - day and night
Every OEM halogen should do this super simple 15 min swap out
No flicker + no fan noise + fantastic low cost LED white lighting

Previous owner had put in Sylvania ZXE's that actually cost more
Haha!

 

[New4xeguy]

I replaced the halogen bulbs with LED bulbs for $40. The result is PERFECT. If you want the Amazon links to the bulbs, let me know.

Um, yeah, please share a link or the name of what you used that worked so well for so cheap. I’d be into that.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

For the tail lights, turn signals, that may be fine. But I guarantee the factory LED headlights will blow away the led inserts in those halogen headlight reflectors. No comparison. The factory LED headlights are amazing. I bought take offs for $400 and did the switch. Used a tazer, but when my vehicle went in for warranty work one time, I had them flash it as well as the aux switches so I didn't have to worry about it if I disconnect the tazer. Without the tazer or reflash, strange things happen like a blinking right headlamp, high beams would cut off the lows, etc.

NOTE: I rewrote this post three times trying to get it shorter so this is the shortest it's going to get. So for those of you who don't want to read through this massive post, here's a...

TL;DR: My headlight bulbs are replaceable and cost significantly less, your headlight bulbs are not replaceable and cost significantly more. My bulbs produce 50,000 lumens at 50 w and are not DOT approved, no one knows lumens Mopar headlights produce because Mopar is ashamed of their numbers!


Hey man whatever you got to tell yourself to warrant why you spent $384 more than you needed to.



Almost all LEDs last for 50,000 hours on average.

Lumens are measured by the amount of output per chip per watt. Also there is reflective lumens as well, those tend to be lower numbers than the raw lumens.

The main difference between the OEM LED headlights on the Wrangler and a halogen assembly with LED headlight bulbs is that the halogen ones work on a reflection system, which tends to provide a wider beam and more general light output. The OEM LED assembly provides projector lighting, which is more of a tight beam and focused light output.

The difference really comes down to raw power. Who has the better LED bulb in their assembly.

Your bulbs in the Mopar LED headlights, are DOT approved regulated headlights that you can't seem to find any listing anywhere as to the lumens they produce. Companies often do this because they know they won't match up to better quality, higher output LED lights. One of the ways to improve lower quality headlights is to put them into a projector style assembly. It focuses the beam, and you don't notice as much that it's not producing as much light as other LED bulbs. Not saying that's what Mopar did in this case, but if you ever look up the Oracle LED headlights (which are also projector lenses) they are significantly brighter.

My headlights are definitely not DOT approved, and they produce a whopping 10,000 lumens each at 50w. As a point of reference, Oracles projection LED headlights produce 5,200 lumens each (they are also DOT approved).

One major point here is that I can swap out my LED bulbs with any other H13 LED bulb on the market. You are stuck with whatever they give you in your headlight assembly.

The biggest difference why my headlights are way better than yours or anyone with a Mopar LED light package, is because at the end of the day, after 50,000 hours of use, when both of our headlights go out, mine will only cost $16 to replace, and yours will still cost $400+.

So good luck with your $400 headlights that aren't any better than mine!


It should be known that back when I bought these headlights in 2019 they were available to be purchased from China through the AliExpress website. You can still get them, but you have to go through Amazon at this point. Also they seem to cost double what I paid for them back then.

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Also it should be noted that installing these bulbs allow you to still keep your watertight headlight assembly.

I bought these ones a while back for my work van, and they are extremely bright. I don't think they're actually 30,000 lumens, but they are definitely brighter than my current headlights on the Wrangler. I actually have them in my garage still. I remove them from the work van when they changed my route.

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[Wabujitsu]

Um, yeah, please share a link or the name of what you used that worked so well for so cheap. I’d be into that.

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[OminousSkitter]

My headlights are definitely not DOT approved, and they produce a whopping 10,000 lumens each at 50w. As a point of reference, Oracles projection LED headlights produce 5,200 lumens each (they are also DOT approved).

One major point here is that I can swap out my LED bulbs with any other H13 LED bulb on the market. You are stuck with whatever they give you in your headlight assembly.

The biggest difference why my headlights are way better than yours or anyone with a Mopar LED light package, is because at the end of the day, after 50,000 hours of use, when both of our headlights go out, mine will only cost $16 to replace, and yours will still cost $400+.

As a fellow cheap bastard that thinks most aftermarket parts are way overpriced, I love you. As someone who lives in a place with heavy forested roads and where 1/4th the year is dark as night outside of working hours, I love the sentiment. As a fellow driver that has to share the road with people who think like this, I hate you.

I don't know about the JL halogen housings and those bulbs specifically, but many of these halogen-to-led replacement bulbs make your vehicle look like your high beams are on all the time. Couple that with a lifted Jeep, and you blind everyone else who isn't lifted higher than you.

Edit: Also, all the led bulb replacements I did (turn signals, tail lights) didn't survive the winter here. -30 (C or F–you pick) apparently seems to be cold enough to contract the metal and break the connections (or something else). But I doubt most people have that issue.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

As a fellow cheap bastard that thinks most aftermarket parts are way overpriced, I love you. As someone who lives in a place with heavy forested roads and where 1/4th the year is dark as night outside of working hours, I love the sentiment. As a fellow driver that has to share the road with people who think like this, I hate you.

I don't know about the JL halogen housings and those bulbs specifically, but many of these halogen-to-led replacement bulbs make your vehicle look like your high beams are on all the time. Couple that with a lifted Jeep, and you blind everyone else who isn't lifted higher than you.

This is very true!

Back when I first installed these headlights on my Wrangler before I had my front bumper and all that weight up front, people were always flashing their highs at me thinking my highs were on.

I've been trying to correct my positive rake after installing a couple things up front. Because of this my headlights are pointed more at the ground than ever before and I'm sure on coming traffic isn't blinded as much. However I am trying to correct that, so eventually I will be that asshole on the road who is blinding everyone again.



On a slightly related note, a great way to stop yourself from being blinded by the person behind you while driving at night...

Remove your passenger side and rear view mirrors.

When someone's blinding you...

Close your driver side mirror.

Problem solved, just make sure not to change lanes while driving like this. Also probably good idea to make sure it's legal in your state. Gotta love Texas!

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