Halogen to LED

[TheRaven]

I'm between the Lasfit plus and the SV.4
Any input on which is better? I'll definitely buy the better product. Likely do the fogs too.
Thank you for your input!

I haven't personally used either one (I always go the projector route) but Lasfit gets great reviews - they do make quality stuff so i'd be inclined to try them if they offered the most compelling option.

Any of the bulbs in that HR video will do fine. You aren't going to get perfection out of a bulb placed in a housing that wasn't designed for it. If you want it done "right" you need a system (a housing with the bulb it was designed for)...but we've come a VERY long way in the retro-fit bulb world and you really can get a pretty solid result out of a good LED bulb in the stock housings.

Perhaps compare the warranty/support behind the Lasfit Plus with that behind the SV.4 and make your decision on that.

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[roaniecowpony]

I haven't personally used either one (I always go the projector route) but Lasfit gets great reviews - they do make quality stuff so i'd be inclined to try them if they offered the most compelling option.

Any of the bulbs in that HR video will do fine. You aren't going to get perfection out of a bulb placed in a housing that wasn't designed for it. If you want it done "right" you need a system (a housing with the bulb it was designed for)...but we've come a VERY long way in the retro-fit bulb world and you really can get a pretty solid result out of a good LED bulb in the stock housings.

Perhaps compare the warranty/support behind the Lasfit Plus with that behind the SV.4 and make your decision on that.

From what I've seen on these video tests, the scatter of the factory LED, above the cutoff, is more than the SV.4 in the halogen housing. The SV.4 also has a more smooth pattern with less streaking. And, of course, the SV.4 has much more light output. I was using the SV.4 bulbs as an interim step until factory LED housings became available after covid, but I just can't get myself to give up the performance and pay $1000 to do it. If the SV.4 in factory halogen housings showed some kind of issue, any issue, I'd probably jump right to the factory LED housings. But 3 years later, I'm still blown away with how good this combination is.

 

[TheRaven]

From what I've seen on these video tests, the scatter of the factory LED, above the cutoff, is more than the SV.4 in the halogen housing. The SV.4 also has a more smooth pattern with less streaking. And, of course, the SV.4 has much more light output.

I would be willing to bet money that this isn't true. I haven't been able to find a pic of the cutoff on the Mopar factory LEDs...but if they are worse than the SV.4 bulb...that's downright embarrassing. Again, there are some pretty impressive retrofit bulbs out there but they are still miles behind purpose-built systems. For reference here's Oracle's Oculus:

The Mopar LED should be very similar - a completely different league.

 

[roaniecowpony]

I would be willing to bet money that this isn't true. I haven't been able to find a pic of the cutoff on the Mopar factory LEDs...but if they are worse than the SV.4 bulb...that's downright embarrassing. Again, there are some pretty impressive retrofit bulbs out there but they are still miles behind purpose-built systems. For reference here's Oracle's Oculus:

The Mopar LED should be very similar - a completely different league.

The Oracle projectors are much better than the OEM LEDs.

 

[TheRaven]

The Oracle projectors are much better than the OEM LEDs.

I agree...but not better to the extent that would be necessary to make the OEMs worse than retro bulbs. Again, this is a different league we're talking about here...even some of the worst projectors are still much better than the best retro bulbs. That's why the projectors command $500-1000 while the bulbs sell for $100-200.

 

[roaniecowpony]

I would be willing to bet money that this isn't true. I haven't been able to find a pic of the cutoff on the Mopar factory LEDs...but if they are worse than the SV.4 bulb...that's downright embarrassing. Again, there are some pretty impressive retrofit bulbs out there but they are still miles behind purpose-built systems. For reference here's Oracle's Oculus:

The Mopar LED should be very similar - a completely different league.

Here you go. I don't know what that artifact above the cutoff is from. But it is probably one reason people often flash Jeeps with factory LEDs.
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/best-led-headlight-recommendations.67743/

I'll add the picture of the Oracle vs OEM LED here to keep the thread concise.

And here's the SV.4 again, from the HR video.

 

[TheRaven]

Here you go. I don't know what that artifact above the cutoff is from. But it is probably one reason people often flash Jeeps with factory LEDs.
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/best-led-headlight-recommendations.67743/

I'll add the picture of the Oracle vs OEM LED here to keep the thread concise.

And here's the SV.4 again, from the HR video.

Yeah see...both those projectors are in a different league than the bulb. Both have a much better cutoff with minimal bleed above - the Mopar has a little more than the Oculus - but your own picture of the SV.4 cutoff that you posted further up shows more light above than either of those projectors. And that's only a small part of the overall equation...the projectors will throw light much further and fill out the area under the cutoff much better than the retrofitted reflectors will.

 

[marktgorman]

I went with Raxiom on on JL and like the headlights a lot. The DRL lights on my XR with the fender flares were a bitch to install, I went with the oracle replacement bulbs instead on the turn singnals and DRLs and it was an easy install. Only been in there for a few days, but we'll see how they hold up. No flickering out of the box for the DRLs

 

[roaniecowpony]

Yeah see...both those projectors are in a different league than the bulb. Both have a much better cutoff with minimal bleed above - the Mopar has a little more than the Oculus - but your own picture of the SV.4 cutoff that you posted further up shows more light above than either of those projectors. And that's only a small part of the overall equation...the projectors will throw light much further and fill out the area under the cutoff much better than the retrofitted reflectors will.

Chose the one you like. Clearly, all three of these are great performers. But the OEM can't match the illumination power of the SV.4, that I can tell you from 3 years of use and having driven factory LED equipped JLs. However, if I had LED factory headlights, I wouldn't trade them out for any aftermarket configurations. The factory LEDs have reliability and appropriate adjusters going for them. This was about what retrofit bulb to go with. My recommendation is still the SV.4.

 

[TheRaven]

Chose the one you like. Clearly, all three of these are great performers. But the OEM can't match the illumination power of the SV.4, that I can tell you from 3 years of use and having driven factory LED equipped JLs. However, if I had LED factory headlights, I wouldn't trade them out for any aftermarket configurations. The factory LEDs have reliability and appropriate adjusters going for them. This was about what retrofit bulb to go with. My recommendation is still the SV.4.

I don't disagree about the bulbs - they are in a completely different price category than projectors and one can no longer make the argument that they are all terrible and dangerous. So if you got stuck with the terrible stock halogens and you need better lighting but can't spend $500+, then a good set of bulbs is absolutely the way to go, and definitely a major upgrade over the stock halogens. I just don't see an argument for the bulbs being better than any of the projector options, even the stockers. The stockers are VERY good projectors, and the difference to me is undeniable.

 

[JEBIGA]

I would be willing to bet money that this isn't true. I haven't been able to find a pic of the cutoff on the Mopar factory LEDs...but if they are worse than the SV.4 bulb...that's downright embarrassing. Again, there are some pretty impressive retrofit bulbs out there but they are still miles behind purpose-built systems. For reference here's Oracle's Oculus:

The Mopar LED should be very similar - a completely different league.

I've considered the Oculus. Not exactly sure what the programming component is that people talk about. I've also though about getting the Mopar LED fixtures but my local Jeep dealer said they can't program the Jeep to be compatible and something about needing resistors and such. I think they were just unsure of what to do and didn't know what to say. There's got to be an easier way!!!!!!

 

[TheRaven]

I've considered the Oculus. Not exactly sure what the programming component is that people talk about. I've also though about getting the Mopar LED fixtures but my local Jeep dealer said they can't program the Jeep to be compatible and something about needing resistors and such. I think they were just unsure of what to do and didn't know what to say. There's got to be an easier way!!!!!!

There is no programming with the Oracle Oculus setup. It's as plug 'n play as it gets. The OEM LEDs require that you change the lighting type setting in your BCM to "LED" so that the system adjusts its expected load values. Otherwise you'll get all kinds of weirdness.

 

[JEBIGA]

There is no programming with the Oracle Oculus setup. It's as plug 'n play as it gets. The OEM LEDs require that you change the lighting type setting in your BCM to "LED" so that the system adjusts its expected load values. Otherwise you'll get all kinds of weirdness.

How do the 7" Oculus look? Aren't the Mopar fixtures 9"? I've looked at so many different things now that I'm confusing myself!

 

[Heimkehr]

How do the 7" Oculus look? Aren't the Mopar fixtures 9"?

Any 7" LED headlight assembly retrofit will require adapters to fit in the JL, which is designed for 9" headlights. Those 7" products sold for our Jeeps usually include said adapters.

 

[JEBIGA]

Any 7" LED headlight assembly retrofit will require adapters to fit in the JL, which is designed for 9" headlights. Those 7" products sold for our Jeeps usually include said adapters.

In your opinion.... do the 7" look like they belong? Don't want to put them in and regret it.

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