Got a warning for no mirrors.

[Remorseless]

Shit how many random trucks with toppers running around without a useful rear view.

Or towing something so wide they might as well not have rear OR side mirrors...

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[2nd 392]

If you guys can find a way to make the same arguments over and over again for another 16 pages without changing anyone’s mind, I’ll buy you all a beer. Ready…Go!

I’m in

Do we get two at 48 pages ?

 

[NWJeepr]

I mean, tons of states that don't require side mirrors, any evidence of mirrorless Jeeps causing havoc?

Tons of states? Why don't you list the ones that don't require anything other than a rear-view mirror for the class.

And why does federal law require vehicles to be produced with side mirrors?

According to this logic, then every bus driver, and every semi truck driver is less safe than the average car, as they usually lack a rear view mirror on the windshield. But that's not necessarily true. As those professional drivers are usually much more attentive to their surroundings, even with limited rear visibility.

Actually, it's true, there are larger and more numerous blind spots on semis and buses. They also have more mirrors to compensate for those blind areas. And a commercial license requiring additional training and licensure is required in most states. Then again, a lot of states have a really low bar for commercial drivers. I'm sure we've all come across a trucker who just landed his first job as a commercial driver with almost no prior driving experience.

I know @Wbino doesn't, but @NWJeepr - how often do you drive without the doors on? Curious on that point...

I don't. And, if I did, I'd put side mirrors on. Because I use them for more than changing lanes or backing up. Sticking my head out the door to look around isn't my style.

I also have a CDL. Spent quite a bit of time driving a side dump in downtown cores. Mirrors are required.

 

[yokramer]

If you guys can find a way to make the same arguments over and over again for another 16 pages without changing anyone’s mind, I’ll buy you all a beer. Ready…Go!

btw if I make it to Cali or youre in Moab late 25 when I am I expect this beer.

 

[au176]

According to this logic, then every bus driver, and every semi truck driver is less safe than the average car, as they usually lack a rear view mirror on the windshield. But that's not necessarily true. As those professional drivers are usually much more attentive to their surroundings, even with limited rear visibility.

That, and they have a MINIMUM of 4 mirrors...

 

[NWJeepr]

Do we get two at 48 pages ?

If you'll put in this much work for a beer, makes me wonder what you'll do for $20....

 

[jeepingib]

I know @Wbino doesn't, but @NWJeepr - how often do you drive without the doors on? Curious on that point...

 

[Terrymo]

If you'll put in this much work for a beer, makes me wonder what you'll do for $20....

 

[2nd 392]

If you'll put in this much work for a beer, makes me wonder what you'll do for $20....

an old buddy always said “If I was born female, there would be a whore in the family”

 

[jeepingib]

Tons of states? Why don't you list the ones that don't require anything other than a rear-view mirror for the class.

And why does federal law require vehicles to be produced with side mirrors?



Actually, it's true, there are larger and more numerous blind spots on semis and buses. They also have more mirrors to compensate for those blind areas. And a commercial license requiring additional training and licensure is required in most states. Then again, a lot of states have a really low bar for commercial drivers. I'm sure we've all come across a trucker who just landed his first job as a commercial driver with almost no prior driving experience.



I don't. And, if I did, I'd put side mirrors on. Because I use them for more than changing lanes or backing up. Sticking my head out the door to look around isn't my style.

I also have a CDL. Spent quite a bit of time driving a side dump in downtown cores. Mirrors are required.

But they can't see directly behind them, so they must be less safe than I am in my Jeep with a rear view mirror according to your logic. Because I can see more clearly around my Jeep then you can with that side dump from SmithCo. (FIL worked at the place those were made.)

This all boils down to you two guys being adamant that you have to have side mirrors for safety because that is what you are used to using from years behind the wheel without a rear view on your windshield, and ZERO experience driving doorless.

 

[Centurion07]

Ok, I think I'm caught up. People who don't have mirrors on their shopping carts SUCK.

 

[yokramer]

Ok, I think I'm caught up. People who don't have mirrors on their shopping carts SUCK.

Nailed it

 

[TrailScooter]

an old buddy always said “If I was born female, there would be a whore in the family”

I can't even imagine the one good boob...

 

[NWJeepr]

But they can't see directly behind them, so they must be less safe than I am in my Jeep with a rear view mirror according to your logic. Because I can see more clearly around my Jeep then you can with that side dump from SmithCo. (FIL worked at the place those were made.)

This all boils down to you two guys being adamant that you have to have side mirrors for safety because that is what you are used to using from years behind the wheel without a rear view on your windshield, and ZERO experience driving doorless.

Yep, I'm sure that's it.

 

[Remorseless]

Tons of states? Why don't you list the ones that don't require anything other than a rear-view mirror for the class.

And why does federal law require vehicles to be produced with side mirrors?




I don't. And, if I did, I'd put side mirrors on. Because I use them for more than changing lanes or backing up. Sticking my head out the door to look around isn't my style.

I also have a CDL. Spent quite a bit of time driving a side dump in downtown cores. Mirrors are required.

Took 2 seconds on Google: Mirror Laws For All 50 States : r/Jeep (reddit.com)

I'm not aware of a Federal mandate, nor can I find one with a quick Google, if you have it handy, link?

And, the great irony here is, I spend quite a bit of time doorless (and often in a series of large metros no less), AND I (per NC law, but mainly by my own choice) utilize mirrors designed for running doorless. Over the last almost-15 years of my running this way, I have tried a smorgasbord of doorless mirrors. By and large they're useless, and the high quality ones are just marginally less so. BUT, the truth is, when you have doors and top off in conjunction... it doesn't matter. Cause you don't have to lean out of the Jeep to see, you just look - especially in a 2 door. The mirrors are secondary in this configuration because it's easier - and safer - to not futz with them. They're either shaped funny and give you a huge blind spot, vibrate like they're glued to your mom's BOB, or blow out of adjustment from the pressure of the air as you drive. The CMM ones are about the best I've found - but they still have a limited FOV and odd depth perception due to being so convex.

Without all the bits of the Jeep to block sights and sounds, you can even HEAR vehicles and their positioning when on the interstate, beyond just seeing them super easily. So when I say "You can totally run mirrorless and have it be safe" I'm not being a "muh rights" hardass, it's just the truth. Recommend getting some doorless seat time - with or without mirrors, you do you - and see just how good your situational awareness can be with all the stuff stripped off your Jeep.

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