eTorque Delete Option?

[J.Ralston]

I realize that as of this writing and me creating both this thread and post that there is not any possible way to delete the eTorque system on any of the JL Wranglers that have the 3.6 liter Pentastar eTorque V-6 engine. But I was curious if that option does ever become available, who would do it?

I know that as for me, I totally would! I absolutely hate the eTorque system and when I ordered my 2021 JLUR on 11-30-2020 that there was little to no accurate information out there and as a result of that, from the research that I had done at that time, I thought that I was getting the 3.6 liter V-6 with ESS. But even with that system, I hate it too because of the hidden tiny battery that would create all kinds of issue later on down the road, after it starts going bad. And both systems are not set up very well to be able to replace them should the tiny battery on the ESS 3.6 liter V-6 engines go out or the 48 volt eTorque 3.6 liter V-6 go out. But at least the Genesis Off Road company makes the dual battery set up should anyone want to add that into their JL’s engine compartment and delete the tiny ESS battery or add to the eTorques huge battery.

Originally I was going to go with the 3.0 liter V-6 diesel but I didn’t want to have 3:73 gears. I wanted to have at least a bare minimum of 4:10 gears. But even that engine option comes with the tiny additional battery. I think the only engine that does not offer the tiny supplemental battery option or the stupid eTorque option is the 392 V-8. And had it been available when I ordered my JLUR, I would have ordered that instead. And with the Extreme Recon package too but I unfortunately found out the hard way to make sure any future Jeep are ordered in at least July or August so Jeep doesn’t release something that I want for the same model year, after I’ve already ordered my next Jeep.

But for those that have a lot more Jeep Wrangler experience than I do, in your guys’ opinions, how hard do you think that it would be to delete the entire eTorque system? The giant suitcase size 48 volt battery under the Jeep frame on the drivers side, the coolant lines and reservoirs, the wiring and very stupid stop/start generator. Can you swap that generator out for an alternator from another 3.6 liter Pentastar V-6 that was made and put into an older, non eTorque Jeep Wrangler? I mean technically, how hard would it be to swap everything over from a non eTorque 3.6 liter Pentastar V-6 to a current JL that has the 3.6 liter eTorque Pentastar V-6?

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[Dyolfknip74]

I realize that as of this writing and me creating both this thread and post that there is not any possible way to delete the eTorque system on any of the JL Wranglers that have the 3.6 liter Pentastar eTorque V-6 engine. But I was curious if that option does ever become available, who would do it?

I know that as for me, I totally would! I absolutely hate the eTorque system and when I ordered my 2021 JLUR on 11-30-2020 that there was little to no accurate information out there and as a result of that, from the research that I had done at that time, I thought that I was getting the 3.6 liter V-6 with ESS. But even with that system, I hate it too because of the hidden tiny battery that would create all kinds of issue later on down the road, after it starts going bad. And both systems are not set up very well to be able to replace them should the tiny battery on the ESS 3.6 liter V-6 engines go out or the 48 volt eTorque 3.6 liter V-6 go out. But at least the Genesis Off Road company makes the dual battery set up should anyone want to add that into their JL’s engine compartment and delete the tiny ESS battery or add to the eTorques huge battery.

Originally I was going to go with the 3.0 liter V-6 diesel but I didn’t want to have 3:73 gears. I wanted to have at least a bare minimum of 4:10 gears. But even that engine option comes with the tiny additional battery. I think the only engine that does not offer the tiny supplemental battery option or the stupid eTorque option is the 392 V-8. And had it been available when I ordered my JLUR, I would have ordered that instead. And with the Extreme Recon package too but I unfortunately found out the hard way to make sure any future Jeep are ordered in at least July or August so Jeep doesn’t release something that I want for the same model year, after I’ve already ordered my next Jeep.

But for those that have a lot more Jeep Wrangler experience than I do, in your guys’ opinions, how hard do you think that it would be to delete the entire eTorque system? The giant suitcase size 48 volt battery under the Jeep frame on the drivers side, the coolant lines and reservoirs, the wiring and very stupid stop/start generator. Can you swap that generator out for an alternator from another 3.6 liter Pentastar V-6 that was made and put into an older, non eTorque Jeep Wrangler? I mean technically, how hard would it be to swap everything over from a non eTorque 3.6 liter Pentastar V-6 to a current JL that has the 3.6 liter eTorque Pentastar V-6?

That's a lot of words.

So, you dislike the way this motor is engineered for what reason? User maintenance? Because it's challenging to change a battery? Your solution is to tear all that out, somehow wedge an alternator in there and be done with it? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. By the time you do open heart surgery on a major electrical component of your jeep, you're going to make it basically unsellable if you can even get it to work.

Or is it just because it has a start stop system? Just get a Tazer and kill it then.
I have ESS on my 21, I barely notice it and use it all the time.

You know what does make sense? Used car prices have never been higher. Get rid of your current 21 and get a 22 392XR.

 

[J.Ralston]

That's a lot of words.

So, you dislike the way this motor is engineered for what reason? User maintenance? Because it's challenging to change a battery? Your solution is to tear all that out, somehow wedge an alternator in there and be done with it? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. By the time you do open heart surgery on a major electrical component of your jeep, you're going to make it basically unsellable if you can even get it to work.

Or is it just because it has a start stop system? Just get a Tazer and kill it then.
I have ESS on my 21, I barely notice it and use it all the time.

You know what does make sense? Used car prices have never been higher. Get rid of your current 21 and get a 22 392XR.

I don’t like the system because it’s over complicated and way more expensive to fix. Even the maintenance as well.

An alternator for a 3.6 liter Pentastar V-6 is only about $200.00. A battery is anywhere from $125.00 to $200.00. So if the alternator and battery both go out at the same exact time after the warranty expires, you’re only out $400.00 max and that is a job that you can even do on a trail, if you broke down and had to leave your Jeep for a few hours to go get the parts.

With the 3.6 liter eTorque Pentastar V-6, the cost is insane! The stop/start generator is around $850.00. Or so I’m told. The 48 volt battery is around $1,500.00. And then the battery apparently has its own water pump and coolant system. So now if the stop/start generator and/or 48 volt battery were to go out on a trail, I can only imagine what the cost to fix it would be after you added in all of the labor costs too. And with the system, you can’t really fix it on your own unless you are very knowledgeable with the system and you have all of the special tools needed.

But since the 3.6 liter Pentastar V-6 engines have been in Jeep Wranglers for several years and before eTorque was added on to them, it made me wonder if you could take the engine set up from let’s say a 2017 Jeep Wrangler with the same engine and then completely remove all of the eTorque garbage on your engine and install the parts off of the 2017 engine onto the newer engine so the eTorque setup could be totally deleted and then in the process, lose vehicle weight and all of the eTorque stuff that was under the frame and had an increased probability of receiving trail damage if it got snagged on something or got hit with a boulder.

I was just curious if doing that was possible, and if so, how hard would it be in order to do that?

 

[Dyolfknip74]

I don’t like the system because it’s over complicated and way more expensive to fix. Even the maintenance as well.

An alternator for a 3.6 liter Pentastar V-6 is only about $200.00. A battery is anywhere from $125.00 to $200.00. So if the alternator and battery both go out at the same exact time after the warranty expires, you’re only out $400.00 max and that is a job that you can even do on a trail, if you broke down and had to leave your Jeep for a few hours to go get the parts.

With the 3.6 liter eTorque Pentastar V-6, the cost is insane! The stop/start generator is around $850.00. Or so I’m told. The 48 volt battery is around $1,500.00. And then the battery apparently has its own water pump and coolant system. So now if the stop/start generator and/or 48 volt battery were to go out on a trail, I can only imagine what the cost to fix it would be after you added in all of the labor costs too. And with the system, you can’t really fix it on your own unless you are very knowledgeable with the system and you have all of the special tools needed.

But since the 3.6 liter Pentastar V-6 engines have been in Jeep Wranglers for several years and before eTorque was added on to them, it made me wonder if you could take the engine set up from let’s say a 2017 Jeep Wrangler with the same engine and then completely remove all of the eTorque garbage on your engine and install the parts off of the 2017 engine onto the newer engine so the eTorque setup could be totally deleted and then in the process, lose vehicle weight and all of the eTorque stuff that was under the frame and had an increased probability of receiving trail damage if it got snagged on something or got hit with a boulder.

I was just curious if doing that was possible, and if so, how hard would it be in order to do that?

I just think you'd be going down a rabbit hole of electrical issues. The end result just isn't worth the ass pain.
The majority of Jeep owners arent swapping an alternator on the trail. The Etourque system position is covered by warranty longer than all the other components. (I think) Personally, I wouldn't even consider doing a job like that until THAT warranty was done and TBH, by the the jeep would be long gone from my stable notwithstanding.

Nothing is impossible in the car modification world though and I would most certainly follow your thread where you do this. Good luck!

 

[John VonJeep]

eTorque has an 8/80k warranty.

 

[OBD]

I understand.....I ordered my 2021 2 door Willys with the 3.6 minus eTorque. When the warranty runs out,I will delete the start stop ....and small battery.

 

[Trainman]

I'm ordering my 2022 with the manual 6 spd. trans just to not get the etorque V6 engine.

 

[Caveman044]

I don’t like the system because it’s over complicated and way more expensive to fix. Even the maintenance as well.

You're attempt to delete the system will be overly complicated and expensive. If you don't like the system you shouldn't have bought it. At this point, either v8 swap or live with it.

 

[Wbino]

Of all the complaints on these forums those with the V6 E system are very quiet. ?

 

[four low]

Hold off off "End of the World" until the 8/80 expires.
In 8 years, there very well might be E Torque removals, add- ons, conversions to all- electric, or even anti- grav !
Enjoy the 8 year wait, Federal Mandates will be piling on, Fast and Furious, so enjoy your Wrangler NOW.

 

[oceanblue2019]

Hold off off "End of the World" until the 8/80 expires.
In 8 years, there very well might be E Torque removals, add- ons, conversions to all- electric, or even anti- grav !
Enjoy the 8 year wait, Federal Mandates will be piling on, Fast and Furious, so enjoy your Wrangler NOW.

This 100%. I am sure in 8 years when the emissions warranty is lapsed that we will have solutions to such problems.

That solution might be used parts from a wreck for $500

 

[Xcoaste]

I had a JK with just the 3.6, no eTorque, no ESS with the aux battery. It didn't give me any issues in my 8 years of ownership. I now have the 3.6 with eTorque, and it feels better to me. Feels smoother. After warranty might I have issues, maybe. Will I have it after 8 years, maybe, maybe not. I still decided I wanted it over the 2.0. I read a lot of complaints about the aux battery on non eTorque systems. So far eTorque has worked well for me. I hope you don't have issues with yours either.

 

[DanW]

I realize that as of this writing and me creating both this thread and post that there is not any possible way to delete the eTorque system on any of the JL Wranglers that have the 3.6 liter Pentastar eTorque V-6 engine. But I was curious if that option does ever become available, who would do it?

I know that as for me, I totally would! I absolutely hate the eTorque system and when I ordered my 2021 JLUR on 11-30-2020 that there was little to no accurate information out there and as a result of that, from the research that I had done at that time, I thought that I was getting the 3.6 liter V-6 with ESS. But even with that system, I hate it too because of the hidden tiny battery that would create all kinds of issue later on down the road, after it starts going bad. And both systems are not set up very well to be able to replace them should the tiny battery on the ESS 3.6 liter V-6 engines go out or the 48 volt eTorque 3.6 liter V-6 go out. But at least the Genesis Off Road company makes the dual battery set up should anyone want to add that into their JL’s engine compartment and delete the tiny ESS battery or add to the eTorques huge battery.

Originally I was going to go with the 3.0 liter V-6 diesel but I didn’t want to have 3:73 gears. I wanted to have at least a bare minimum of 4:10 gears. But even that engine option comes with the tiny additional battery. I think the only engine that does not offer the tiny supplemental battery option or the stupid eTorque option is the 392 V-8. And had it been available when I ordered my JLUR, I would have ordered that instead. And with the Extreme Recon package too but I unfortunately found out the hard way to make sure any future Jeep are ordered in at least July or August so Jeep doesn’t release something that I want for the same model year, after I’ve already ordered my next Jeep.

But for those that have a lot more Jeep Wrangler experience than I do, in your guys’ opinions, how hard do you think that it would be to delete the entire eTorque system? The giant suitcase size 48 volt battery under the Jeep frame on the drivers side, the coolant lines and reservoirs, the wiring and very stupid stop/start generator. Can you swap that generator out for an alternator from another 3.6 liter Pentastar V-6 that was made and put into an older, non eTorque Jeep Wrangler? I mean technically, how hard would it be to swap everything over from a non eTorque 3.6 liter Pentastar V-6 to a current JL that has the 3.6 liter eTorque Pentastar V-6?

I've not had a single issue with that little battery on my ESS in 4 years. I did replace the original at 3 years as preventative maintenance, but it was in perfect shape when I took it out. I replaced it with an AGM. I got the TSB/reprogram that will let the Jeep start if the little battery fails. So I'm not anticipating any issues. I also disable the ESS with the Tazer, so I don't think that little battery has any stress, either.

That said, I've got an Etorque coming home for my wife tomorrow. I'd prefer a simpler ESS setup but from all I've seen people love the Etorque when they've lived with it awhile. So we're going to use it as designed and see how she does.

As for removing it, I'd steer clear of that like the plague. Looks like a great deal would be involved. You might be better off buying a used Jeep or getting the 2.0 without Etorque. OR, the best idea, and the one I'd do if I were in your shoes......get a manual! Lol! The only Jeep that you could trade me for my manual JLUR would be a 392, and even then I'd have to think about it for a minute.

 

[Killed by Death]

Sounds like you are confusing EES and eTorque? Two different systems.

 

[jmccorm]

Hold off off "End of the World" until the 8/80 expires. In 8 years, there very well might be E Torque removals, add- ons, conversions to all- electric, or even anti- grav !

The eTorque to eTurbo Conversion Kit: I *am* holding my breath for someone to make one. And I'd trade my in my non-eTorque vehicle just to try it out.

Done right, the kit should be simple enough for the less mechanically inclined to perform from the comfort of their own driveway. I think this is the one thing that puts the factory's high voltage battery pack to an even better use than it was originally intended for.

Because it acts like a supercharger, it's just as likely to be compatible with the 3.6L V6 engine as it would the 2.0L turbo. I'd have to see how well the heat gets managed in either configuration before jumping in.

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