eTorque Delete Option?

[Ed Pursell]

OBD, question, what trans do you have. I ordered my 2021 Willys last year in October, when you chose the 3.6 with the 8 speed auto, you could NOT get it without the E-Torque period. Do you have E-Torque or the regular ess system? The E-Torque has the 48 volt battery behind the passenger seat, a lot smoother than the ess system. Did something change? There’s a lot of confusion with these 2 systems and generic engine start stop systems. Two totally different animals.

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[J.Ralston]

You're attempt to delete the system will be overly complicated and expensive. If you don't like the system you shouldn't have bought it. At this point, either v8 swap or live with it.

When I ordered my Jeep last November there was no info out on eTorque or ESS. The only thing I was seeing when I did my research was the new 2.0 liter turbo charged I-4, the 3.6 Liter V-6 or the 3.0 Liter Turbo diesel V-6 but all research that I did said nothing about the ESS or eTorque. I considered the diesel but didn’t want 3.73 gears or that shitty dif fluid issues. With the 2.0 liter turbo, vs. 3.6 liter V-6, I will always choose naturally aspirated over forced induction due to better reliability. After my Jeep was ordered is when I started hearing about there being 2 different options. ESS or eTorque. My salesman even thought mine would have the ESS but I guess for 2021, only the manual transmission got the 3.6 liter ESS V-6. And I’m not saying that I will do anything right now this second but one my Jeeps warranty expires on the eTorque system, if I’m able to convert my engine to just running a more simple, alternator and 12 volt battery as opposed to the stop/start generator, 48 volt battery and extra cooling system, I would prefer to do that but if it’s not possible or ends up being crazy expensive to do the swap at that point in time then I’ll just leave it. But it was never a thing of me ordering the eTorque engine knowing what it was and now hating it. When I ordered it, Jeep had done a very poor job of saying what it was and what it would come in. I would still choose the 3.6 liter eTorque though over the 2.0 liter turbo. I just don’t see those engines lasting as long as the naturally aspirated ones. Especially if someone mods their JL with bigger tires.

 

[J.Ralston]

OBD, question, what trans do you have. I ordered my 2021 Willys last year in October, when you chose the 3.6 with the 8 speed auto, you could NOT get it without the E-Torque period. Do you have E-Torque or the regular ess system? The E-Torque has the 48 volt battery behind the passenger seat, a lot smoother than the ess system. Did something change? There’s a lot of confusion with these 2 systems and generic engine start stop systems. Two totally different animals.

I have the eTorque and 8 speed automatic. But when I ordered my Jeep and researched everything first, there was no information at the time that I was finding. There was lots of comparisons between the 2.0 liter turbo I-4 vs. the 3.6 liter V-6 but everything I saw didn’t say a thing about the ESS or eTorque options on the 3.6 liter V-6 until after I had already ordered my Jeep. And even then, my salesman thought mine would come with the ESS because dealerships weren’t being given a lot of info either at the time. If the eTorque wasn’t so expensive to replace once the warranty expires then I wouldn’t mind it. But when you have North of $2,000.00 just in parts alone before any labor is even billed, and a separate cooling system and a separate water pump in order to get eTorque to work, to me that is a huge waste of money. The older system with a $200.00 alternator instead is much more preferable to me.

How does the eTorque and all of that expensive mumbo jumbo that is required to make it work offer a more beneficial option over a very simple, effective and reliable 12 volt battery/alternator option that was in older models? They say you get better fuel efficiency. By what, 2 maybe 3 miles per gallon max? For me, if I had the option, I would take the more simple, and a whole lot less expensive older system with slightly worse fuel economy over the new system. I didn’t by my JLUR for fuel economy so that’s not even a considering factor for me.

 

[DanW]

I have the eTorque and 8 speed automatic. But when I ordered my Jeep and researched everything first, there was no information at the time that I was finding. There was lots of comparisons between the 2.0 liter turbo I-4 vs. the 3.6 liter V-6 but everything I saw didn’t say a thing about the ESS or eTorque options on the 3.6 liter V-6 until after I had already ordered my Jeep. And even then, my salesman thought mine would come with the ESS because dealerships weren’t being given a lot of info either at the time. If the eTorque wasn’t so expensive to replace once the warranty expires then I wouldn’t mind it. But when you have North of $2,000.00 just in parts alone before any labor is even billed, and a separate cooling system and a separate water pump in order to get eTorque to work, to me that is a huge waste of money. The older system with a $200.00 alternator instead is much more preferable to me.

How does the eTorque and all of that expensive mumbo jumbo that is required to make it work offer a more beneficial option over a very simple, effective and reliable 12 volt battery/alternator option that was in older models? They say you get better fuel efficiency. By what, 2 maybe 3 miles per gallon max? For me, if I had the option, I would take the more simple, and a whole lot less expensive older system with slightly worse fuel economy over the new system. I didn’t by my JLUR for fuel economy so that’s not even a considering factor for me.

I'd take the ESS, too, but it wasn't an option for my wife's new Jeep. So we'll see how it does. We intend to keep it a long, long time.

Sounds like worrying about replacing the whole thing is a worst case scenario. I don't lose much sleep over worst case scenarios.

I'm a fan of simplicity, but those days are long gone with cars and Jeeps. The closest you can get is either a manual 3.6 or if they offer it, a non-etorque 2.0.

From what I've seen so far, the e-torque 2.0's, which are at about the 3.5 year point in the marketplace, have held up quite well. They appear to be reliable and durable. I'd expect the 3.6 etorque to be the same. The Ram community has had them the longest and I've not heard any pattern of horror stories.

Time will tell, but people seem very happy with the Etorque so far.

 

[mwilk012]

“I hate this thing I don’t understand”
-senile grandpa

 

[J.Ralston]

“I hate this thing I don’t understand”
-senile grandpa

You know it’s funny because in the 80’s when fuel injection and computer controlled fuel/air ratios became more common in vehicles and eventually took over I remember hearing all of these old school auto mechanics up in arms over the new, modern technology going into new vehicles then. I didn’t get their anger and thought the new tech was cool. And now I understand them better…?

 

[mwilk012]

You know it’s funny because in the 80’s when fuel injection and computer controlled fuel/air ratios became more common in vehicles and eventually took over I remember hearing all of these old school auto mechanics up in arms over the new, modern technology going into new vehicles then. I didn’t get their anger and thought the new tech was cool. And now I understand them better…?

And a lot of those guys went out of business. Tons of shops close up when technology changes, some people can’t learn more complex tech.

 

[Wbino]

Wooden go karts always an option.

 

[OBD]

OBD, question, what trans do you have. I ordered my 2021 Willys last year in October, when you chose the 3.6 with the 8 speed auto, you could NOT get it without the E-Torque period. Do you have E-Torque or the regular ess system? The E-Torque has the 48 volt battery behind the passenger seat, a lot smoother than the ess system. Did something change? There’s a lot of confusion with these 2 systems and generic engine start stop systems. Two totally different animals.
3.6 auto trans with start stop.....no E-torque.....I think later in the model year Jeep started letting dealers special order without E-torque.

 

[TheNewGuy]

OBD, question, what trans do you have. I ordered my 2021 Willys last year in October, when you chose the 3.6 with the 8 speed auto, you could NOT get it without the E-Torque period. Do you have E-Torque or the regular ess system? The E-Torque has the 48 volt battery behind the passenger seat, a lot smoother than the ess system. Did something change? There’s a lot of confusion with these 2 systems and generic engine start stop systems. Two totally different animals.

I ordered my 2021 2 door Sport S on Sept.1 and was able to get 3.6 ESS with the auto tranny. I guess the timing happened to line up for me

 

[AlgUSF]

This 100%. I am sure in 8 years when the emissions warranty is lapsed that we will have solutions to such problems.

I agree, I'm looking forward to a large amount of 2018/2019 to roll off of their powertrain warranties. I bet we get a lot of creative solutions to the nanny state overly engineered engines. I'm not a big fan of how lean the 3.6 runs at idle and the ignition timing. I always get a knock when I'm going 15mph in 2nd through my neighborhood and give it a little gas (makes me cringe).

 

[mwilk012]

I agree, I'm looking forward to a large amount of 2018/2019 to roll off of their powertrain warranties. I bet we get a lot of creative solutions to the nanny state overly engineered engines. I'm not a big fan of how lean the 3.6 runs at idle and the ignition timing. I always get a knock when I'm going 15mph in 2nd through my neighborhood and give it a little gas (makes me cringe).

I have never experienced this.

 

[AlgUSF]

I have never experienced this.

Are you 6MT or 8AT? At near idle, giving a healthy bit of gas cause is it to knock a bit with an MT and the engine solidly connected to the transmission. The fluid coupling of the AT probably negates this because the engine isn't pushing against a solid shaft.

 

[mwilk012]

Are you 6MT or 8AT? At near idle, giving a healthy bit of gas cause is it to knock a bit with an MT and the engine solidly connected to the transmission. The fluid coupling of the AT probably negates this because the engine isn't pushing against a solid shaft.

yup, just another plus for the 8AT.

 

[OllieChristopher]

I'm looking forward to a large amount of 2018/2019 to roll off of their powertrain warranties. I bet we get a lot of creative solutions to the nanny state overly engineered engines. I'm not a big fan of how lean the 3.6 runs at idle and the ignition timing. I always get a knock when I'm going 15mph in 2nd through my neighborhood and give it a little gas (makes me cringe).

What is up with this trend of illegally removing, modifying and deleting functioning components instead of embracing them and learning about how they work and keeping them functioning?

How about purchase a service manual and maintain it instead. Or is a service manual so complicated that it's easier to hack away and butcher instead of properly maintain and repair?

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