ESS Class Action Litigation?

[Terrymo]

I truly don't understand all this whining about ESS. I installed a SMART StartStop the first week we had our new Wrangler back in 2019, and haven't thought about ESS since. Back then the modules were like $79. They're a bit more expensive now, but still, come on people, if you don't like ESS, just freakin disable it. And stop whining about it.

Best,
-Tim

Agreed. Aside from being a nuisance in my opinion the problems with the ESS function and secondary battery issue has been beat to death here. Thanks to advice from @Rhinebeck01 and others one of my first purchases was a device to disable the ESS function.

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[Mguy]

Don’t get me wrong I don’t like ESS. But it isn’t technically a defect that was hidden from the consumer prior to purchase. Caveat Emptor and all that.

While ESS undesirable characteristics might have been generally known, installing an inherently lousy dissimilar dual battery system for ESS stops--unique in the automotive world--was not something disclosed, at least in the early model years. I don't know, perhaps Jeep's sales pitch now touts the dual battery system, but even that would not be the end all. Consumers expect, and have a right to expect, that manufacturers will implement features using sound engineering principles. Pinto buyers in the 1970's knew gas tanks can explode when vehicles are rear ended, but they had a right to believe that Ford engineers would minimize that risk. Jeep, which highly engineers its vehicles, owes its customers at least a reliable start system, not one that would make Rube Goldberg proud. Owner mods should not be necessary.

 

[Wbino]

E torque owners watching this thread.

 

[UTME]

Agreed. Aside from being a nuisance in my opinion the problems with the ESS function and secondary battery issue has been beat to death here. Thanks to advice from @Rhinebeck01 and others one of my first purchases was a device to disable the ESS function.

Yes ESS disabled and aux battery disconnected. Just replaced main battery. Now have normal operation.

 

[AFD]

Join a class action lawsuit. You’ll get $10 or less. The attorneys will get richer.

Not true (though mostly true). I've done a handful of class-action suits and while most of them were only $10 or $20, a few were actually in the hundreds.

I personally don't join these suits for the money, but rather as a small way of making my voice heard when I feel that a large corporation has truly wronged its customers in some way. False advertising, faulty/dangerous products, leaking my personal data, etc. But you're absolutely right. The lawyers are the only ones that truly make out on these things, but that doesn't mean that a negligent party shouldn't be punished for royally fucking something up.

Honestly not sure what I think about this one yet, but I certainly would've bought a Jeep without ESS had I been given the choice.

But yeah, definitely don't join, cause when everything's divvied up, maybe I'll get $30 instead!

 

[Ratbert]

You are correct. I will test both batteries as soon as possible.

With mine it was a bad IBS. Covered by warranty.

 

[sturek]

I think at this point it is more about a push back on the practice than getting reparation.

I don't mind that it's there I just wish I could turn it off and the setting would stick....not requiring me to turn it off every time I start my Jeep.

 

[Pape]

I don't mind that it's there I just wish I could turn it off and the setting would stick....not requiring me to turn it off every time I start my Jeep.

Yup, what ever float your boat, I'm ok with it. But leaving the opt out and not forcing it would be great. I guess the more your force stuff on peoples and the more backlash you will get.

 

[daroutergod]

Soooo.... there is more to e-torque than just ESS. And the e-torque system is not a traditional ESS system. ESS would be hard to argue in a lawsuit where e-torque is in play. You can disable it, so there is that augment as well, although you have to do it each time you start. For those unfamiliar, here is a description of e-torque as it applies to a Jeep.

"Jeep Wrangler, for instance, offers eTorque with both the turbocharged 2.0-liter 4-cylinder and 3.6-liter V6 engines. This mild hybrid system replaces the traditional alternator with a belt-driven motor-generator unit, providing 48-volt current to a 430 watt-hour lithium-ion battery pack.

Additionally, it includes a 3-kilowatt DC-to-DC converter for powering 12-volt vehicle accessories. The eTorque system in Jeep vehicles captures energy during deceleration and braking through brake regeneration, aiding fuel efficiency and drivability.

The air-cooled battery pack is compact and strategically mounted to optimize performance. With six modes of operation, eTorque improves fuel economy, enhances towing/hauling capabilities, and reduces noise, vibration, and harshness during gear changes and acceleration. Additionally, it provides up to 90 lb.-ft. of torque for quick engine restarts, contributing to overall drivability and efficiency."

So, for those e-torque owners, that is why the JL seems snappy when you accelerate from a stop, it's that extra 90 lb. -ft of torque kicking it, even with the ESS disabled.

 

[Wbino]

Soooo.... there is more to e-torque than just ESS. And the e-torque system is not a traditional ESS system. ESS would be hard to argue in a lawsuit where e-torque is in play. You can disable it, so there is that augment as well, although you have to do it each time you start. For those unfamiliar, here is a description of e-torque as it applies to a Jeep.

"Jeep Wrangler, for instance, offers eTorque with both the turbocharged 2.0-liter 4-cylinder and 3.6-liter V6 engines. This mild hybrid system replaces the traditional alternator with a belt-driven motor-generator unit, providing 48-volt current to a 430 watt-hour lithium-ion battery pack.

Additionally, it includes a 3-kilowatt DC-to-DC converter for powering 12-volt vehicle accessories. The eTorque system in Jeep vehicles captures energy during deceleration and braking through brake regeneration, aiding fuel efficiency and drivability.

The air-cooled battery pack is compact and strategically mounted to optimize performance. With six modes of operation, eTorque improves fuel economy, enhances towing/hauling capabilities, and reduces noise, vibration, and harshness during gear changes and acceleration. Additionally, it provides up to 90 lb.-ft. of torque for quick engine restarts, contributing to overall drivability and efficiency."

So, for those e-torque owners, that is why the JL seems snappy when you accelerate from a stop, it's that extra 90 lb. -ft of torque kicking it, even with the ESS disabled.

Except there is no reason to disable it as when it kicks in it's instantaneous, no shutter just engine back on.
It would only bother you if you did'nt like silence....

 

[grimmjeeper]

Not true (though mostly true). I've done a handful of class-action suits and while most of them were only $10 or $20, a few were actually in the hundreds.

Wow. Hundreds!

 

[MRH512]

Don't need class action, need AG lawsuits, and throw some of these people in jail, ESS is just a small part of the larger ESG scheme to defraud the people and worse manipulate masses.

One of the clowns that cooked up an ESG scheme to pressure and penalize American companies is no other than the new Canadian prime minister Carney and his GFANZ scam

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...-and-vanguard-illegally-conspiring-manipulate

I'm not sure if you truly know much about Ken Paxton, but he's as corrupt as they come. Take any words that come out of his mouth with a HUGE grain of salt. His actions are not about protecting the people...

I have no disagreement with what you’re saying. Just that the overall negative consequence ( not each individual consequence) of ESS was not hidden from the consumer willing to look into it prior to purchase.

Good sir, we do NOT speak of personal accountability! What would you have us do, take the time to research potential issues with rushed-to-market technology on our own?! *GASP* No, good sir, we need only look to the glamor of the Jeep commercials and what the "experts" on Instagram tell us!

 

[Pape]

Soooo.... there is more to e-torque than just ESS. And the e-torque system is not a traditional ESS system. ESS would be hard to argue in a lawsuit where e-torque is in play. You can disable it, so there is that augment as well, although you have to do it each time you start. For those unfamiliar, here is a description of e-torque as it applies to a Jeep.

"Jeep Wrangler, for instance, offers eTorque with both the turbocharged 2.0-liter 4-cylinder and 3.6-liter V6 engines. This mild hybrid system replaces the traditional alternator with a belt-driven motor-generator unit, providing 48-volt current to a 430 watt-hour lithium-ion battery pack.

Additionally, it includes a 3-kilowatt DC-to-DC converter for powering 12-volt vehicle accessories. The eTorque system in Jeep vehicles captures energy during deceleration and braking through brake regeneration, aiding fuel efficiency and drivability.

The air-cooled battery pack is compact and strategically mounted to optimize performance. With six modes of operation, eTorque improves fuel economy, enhances towing/hauling capabilities, and reduces noise, vibration, and harshness during gear changes and acceleration. Additionally, it provides up to 90 lb.-ft. of torque for quick engine restarts, contributing to overall drivability and efficiency."

So, for those e-torque owners, that is why the JL seems snappy when you accelerate from a stop, it's that extra 90 lb. -ft of torque kicking it, even with the ESS disabled.

Just a quick note, battery is liquid cooled so is the electric motor generator.

 

[Ron Texas]

How about a class action for V6 camshaft failures? Most manufacturers have recalls for engine defects of this magnitude.

 

[etoften]

I am sure if you Google this law firm thier casework is only the highest in social and moral importance.

For the record I share the distaste for the ESS. But this is equivalent to the guy suing the NFL for a million dollars over the emotional damage caused by watching shaduer Sanders draft day slide.

Pretty sure expressing my true opinion would violate the forum code of conduct. So instead I will say I pushed my ESS disable button before driving to work today.

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