EPA Boss Wants To Kill Start Stop Function In Automobiles

[AndySpill]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...n&cvid=7d36fa07c1354f0db2571c654f3ca61a&ei=15

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[flick2614]

Good riddance.

 

[2nd 392]

Why not just make it default to as set at shutdown upon launch. If you don’t want it, push the button once and forget it. To simple ?
This should be done for all settings.

 

[NWJeepr]

Why not just make it default to as set at shutdown upon launch. If you don’t want it, push the button once and forget it. To simple ?
This should be done for all settings.

The EPA will end the monetary incentives to auto manufacturers for including/enabling Stop-Start in new vehicles. There's a good chance vehicles will still come with it because it's mandated in smarter countries, but it may now be off by default for US vehicles.

 

[Wbino]

Can’t wait to eat fumes parked behind someone again.
Ah the rumble of pipes at a light again will warm my heart…
Anything that benefits gas producing countries and kills clean air is going to be the law of the land.
The rest of the world will have clean energy and we’re heading in the opposite direction.
‘Cars produced here will be unable to be sold outside the good old USA.

 

[Ratbert]

The EPA will end the monetary incentives to auto manufacturers for including/enabling Stop-Start in new vehicles. There's a good chance vehicles will still come with it because it's mandated in smarter countries, but it may now be off by default for US vehicles.

I'm unaware of any EPA-based monetary incentives directly associated with auto start-stop systems in vehicles. As far as I can tell, it's simply one of many ways that manufacturers can choose to try to get better mileage / emissions.

Yes, it can be off by default for US vehicles because it's not required to be there.

 

[AndySpill]

I wonder if this change, if implemented, will result in the sale of less carbon credits, and at lower prices by Elon Musk's Tesla. Automakers not meeting their MPG targets have until now purchased such credits as the lessor cost than having to pay governmental penalties for such failures.

 

[2nd 392]

The EPA will end the monetary incentives …..
but it may now be off by default for US vehicles.

Almost Perfect but I like as set at shutdown for those who prefer to use it, push once and forget it either way.

 

[2nd 392]

I'm unaware of any EPA-based monetary incentives directly associated with auto start-stop systems in vehicles. As far as I can tell, it's simply one of many ways that manufacturers can choose to try to get better mileage / emissions.

Yes, it can be off by default for US vehicles because it's not required to be there.

Perhaps it’s similar to MDS, I can turn it off with the mode knob in my 15 GC,(sport, track, tow, maybe snow but haven’t tried) I hoped OR+ would do the same. Upon expressing my profound disappointment it doesn’t after the test drive the sales mgr said “they take a mpg hit if you have the choice to turn it off.”
CAFE standards apparently subject to change perhaps making tweaks like default to off acceptable without some sort of penalty.

 

[NWJeepr]

I'm unaware of any EPA-based monetary incentives directly associated with auto start-stop systems in vehicles. As far as I can tell, it's simply one of many ways that manufacturers can choose to try to get better mileage / emissions.

Yes, it can be off by default for US vehicles because it's not required to be there.

*Direct monetary incentives, no, you are correct. However, stop-start tech can qualify automakers to receive "off-cycle credits" from the EPA which may reduce penalties for exceeding CO2 emissions.

It's also true that the tech is NOT required to be present, nor is it required to be turned on by default.

 

[AndySpill]

*Direct monetary incentives, no, you are correct. However, stop-start tech can qualify automakers to receive "off-cycle credits" from the EPA which may reduce penalties for exceeding CO2 emissions.

It's also true that the tech is NOT required to be present, nor is it required to be turned on by default.

True. But if, under the current rules, the manufacturer wants to receive such credits by implementing an engine start stop system, that system must be default be on when the vehicle starts, even if the operator turned it off that last time they took the vehicle for a spin.

This is sometimes referred to as the ESS off button not being "latching," or remembering its state from one trip to the next, that button shutting off with each engine shutdown, much as the aftermarket tech does exactly that: remember the button's state from one crank to the next and make that button "latching."

 

[Fatbob Frank]

Kill it with fire....

 

[Twisted10]

now do def systems...

 

[jadmt]

my 2023 CX5 turbo does not have it. the Cx5 turbos 21-25 never had it. I believe the CX5 turbo is sold world wide. the CX5 is made in Japan the CX50 turbo on the otherhand has it and it is made in the USA.

 

[Sand Flea]

Almost Perfect but I like as set at shutdown for those who prefer to use it, push once and forget it either way.

That would be my preference.
If the auto manufacturers choose to keep the feature, make the switch latch-able so once it is invoked, it stays that way until it is undone.

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