Enough is enough

[JeepN3RD]

Ok, so some MATH here.. they sold 204k Wranglers in 2021, so that is 17k per month and we are seeing nearly 2 month backup in completed but not shipped units.

Assume for the moment an average of $55k per unit, lets call it 30k units sitting waiting to be shipped that is $1.65 BILLION dollars of sales sitting around waiting to be shipped?

If I had to guess, Jeep cannot mark the unit as "sold" on their financial statements until delivered? So with March 31st, quarterly reports looming... I am HOPING they have a BILLION reasons to force these Jeeps onto the trains and get them 'delivered!?'

I would also guess that the sales managers and dealerships ALSO have a personal goal / commission / bonus waiting on them for every unit they move?

So all of this to say..my fingers are crossed.. and check out the MONTHLY sales figures for Jeep Wranglers and you see some upticks on those quarters!! Look at the MARCH sales figure compared to FEBRUARY each year!!

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/jeep-wrangler-sales-figures/

This is just one bean counter's perspective but it just occurred to me yesterday that there is a big financial reason (BILLIONs of sales possibly) for them to push REALLY hard this week and next!?

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[miweber929]

Ok, so some MATH here.. they sold 204k Wranglers in 2021, so that is 17k per month and we are seeing nearly 2 month backup in SOME completed but not shipped units.

Assume for the moment an average of $55k per unit, lets call it 30k units sitting waiting to be shipped that is $1.65 BILLION dollars of sales sitting around waiting to be shipped?

If I had to guess, Jeep cannot mark the unit as "sold" on their financial statements until delivered? So with March 31st, quarterly reports looming... I am HOPING they have a BILLION reasons to force these Jeeps onto the trains and get them 'delivered!?'

I would also guess that the sales managers and dealerships ALSO have a personal goal / commission / bonus waiting on them for every unit they move?

So all of this to say..my fingers are crossed.. and check out the MONTHLY sales figures for Jeep Wranglers and you see some upticks on those quarters!! Look at the MARCH sales figure compared to FEBRUARY each year!!

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/jeep-wrangler-sales-figures/

This is just one bean counter's perspective but it just occurred to me yesterday that there is a big financial reason (BILLIONs of sales possibly) for them to push REALLY hard this week and next!?

I added the one word your math left out that changes what your proposing. Not ALL of the units produced are stuck in shipping, undelivered or unbuilt, just SOME. it’s a number of them but way more have been built, sold and delivered than not.

Not to defend Jeep here, but I’m assuming they want them gone and billed as much as you all want your vehicles and they are not storing or not building them by choice.

 

[RAO]

I added the one word your math left out that changes what your proposing. Not ALL of the units produced are stuck in shipping, undelivered or unbuilt, just SOME. it’s a number of them but way more have been built, sold and delivered than not.

Not to defend Jeep here, but I’m assuming they want them gone and billed as much as you all want your vehicles and they are not storing or not building them by choice.

It’s unfortunate that we can’t get current images of the lots at Toledo. I would venture it’s more than “some” parked there. They would not be using the racetrack overflow lot if it were only “some”. Mine is now entering the THIRD MONTH of being parked there and I know from comments I’ve seen and from talking to my dealer that I’m not alone.

 

[LuvHydro]

I added the one word your math left out that changes what your proposing. Not ALL of the units produced are stuck in shipping, undelivered or unbuilt, just SOME. it’s a number of them but way more have been built, sold and delivered than not.

Not to defend Jeep here, but I’m assuming they want them gone and billed as much as you all want your vehicles and they are not storing or not building them by choice.

Well there are 2,408 Jeep dealers in the US. My single dealer was waiting on 100 Wranglers just himself. I'd say there are more than "some" waiting as well.

In the end it doesn't matter if there are 1,000 or 10,000 waiting when one of those is yours. ??

 

[miweber929]

It’s unfortunate that we can’t get current images of the lots at Toledo. I would venture it’s more than “some” parked there. They would not be using the racetrack overflow lot if it were only “some”. Mine is now entering the THIRD MONTH of being parked there and I know from comments I’ve seen and from talking to my dealer that I’m not alone.

In the end it doesn't matter if there are 1,000 or 10,000 waiting when one of those is yours. ??

I feel for both of you, but that doesn't change the fact that there are actually some, in fact many, orders that have been built and delivered from October through today and your particular situations are the exception and not the norm.

Jeep is definitely having delivery issues but it's not EVERY Jeep as you both keep alluding to, in the process scaring everyone who asks about new Jeeps.

Well there are 2,408 Jeep dealers in the US. My single dealer was waiting on 100 Jeeps, just himself. I'd say there are more than "some" waiting as well.

Not to split hairs here but your dealer is one of 5 or 6 high volume, low price dealers in the world, not just the US, so they are the exception, not the rule. "Normal" dealers aren't waiting for 100 Wranglers to be delivered per week like Gupton is. You can't consider that "more than some" because not all of them in waiting for shipment are October/November/December orders.

 

[anbg-JLU]

Ok, so some MATH here.. they sold 204k Wranglers in 2021, so that is 17k per month and we are seeing nearly 2 month backup in completed but not shipped units.

Assume for the moment an average of $55k per unit, lets call it 30k units sitting waiting to be shipped that is $1.65 BILLION dollars of sales sitting around waiting to be shipped?

If I had to guess, Jeep cannot mark the unit as "sold" on their financial statements until delivered? So with March 31st, quarterly reports looming... I am HOPING they have a BILLION reasons to force these Jeeps onto the trains and get them 'delivered!?'

I would also guess that the sales managers and dealerships ALSO have a personal goal / commission / bonus waiting on them for every unit they move?

So all of this to say..my fingers are crossed.. and check out the MONTHLY sales figures for Jeep Wranglers and you see some upticks on those quarters!! Look at the MARCH sales figure compared to FEBRUARY each year!!

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/jeep-wrangler-sales-figures/

This is just one bean counter's perspective but it just occurred to me yesterday that there is a big financial reason (BILLIONs of sales possibly) for them to push REALLY hard this week and next!?

My husband and I have been saying that too. Why would they not want to get everything shipped out as quickly as possible to get the money for all those finished Jeeps?!

 

[Powelligator]

If I had to guess, Jeep cannot mark the unit as "sold" on their financial statements until delivered? So with March 31st, quarterly reports looming... I am HOPING they have a BILLION reasons to force these Jeeps onto the trains and get them 'delivered!?'

This is the significance of KZ Status - unit is completely built, body vendor and all, has passed all inspections and has "crossed the threshold" and is considered by the bean counters as a completed unit and it can be invoiced.

In reality it's just been moved to another parking lot and handed over to the shippers. The shippers want to move product as quick as they can, though like on the production end they too have various constraints. In severe cases where product can't move out quick enough, it makes sense for FCA to lease additional parking lots for overflow (temporary) storage so that they don't have to slow the rate of production. Just like the chassis and body vendors are a separate entity from FCA, so are the shipping companies. Elsewhere on this site someone reported that historically FCA has had a difficult relationship with their shipping vendors, this could possibly be part of the reason for shipping delays.

 

[LuvHydro]

I feel for both of you, but that doesn't change the fact that there are actually some, in fact many, orders that have been built and delivered from October through today and your particular situations are the exception and not the norm.

Jeep is definitely having delivery issues but it's not EVERY Jeep as you both keep alluding to, in the process scaring everyone who asks about new Jeeps.



Not to split hairs here but your dealer is one of 5 or 6 high volume, low price dealers in the world, not just the US, so they are the exception, not the rule. "Normal" dealers aren't waiting for 100 Wranglers to be delivered per week like Gupton is. You can't consider that "more than some" because not all of them in waiting are October/November/December orders.

I like you, I can tell we would be friends if we knew each other IRL.

You are probably correct about Guptons backlog.

My goal, as I posted somewhere before, I forget which thread, isn't to mislead or scare noobies, but rather to detail both of my buying experiences to provide them with factual details of my builds in order to allow them to reasonably manage their expectations before they buy.

I think many dealers are "optimistic" in providing realistic delivery times to make the sale.

Dealer tells them 6-8 weeks then they see posts here about people claiming a 4 week order/delivery.

Then when it takes a more normal 10-12+ weeks plus, it is very stressful for them (and me ?)

Better to expect long times and be surprised when it shows up "early"

In the end IIWII ain't nuthin no one can do able it except whine.

I love Gupton, but when pressed a little, he says nothing he can do.

My question is, on possibly the highest volume retail customer Jeep dealer in the US, is it a matter of nothing he CAN do or nothing he WILL do?

If I were his wife I'm expecting something could be done. ???

 

[Ratbert]

Well there are 2,408 Jeep dealers in the US. My single dealer was waiting on 100 Jeeps, just himself. I'd say there are more than "some" waiting as well.

In the end it doesn't matter if there are 1,000 or 10,000 waiting when one of those is yours. ??

Waiting on 100 Wranglers that are fully built and sitting on a lot in Toledo, or waiting on 100 Jeeps that customers have ordered (includes significantly more than just Wranglers and just Wranglers that are in the lot limbo between "fully built" and on a trail / truck).

 

[LuvHydro]

Waiting on 100 Wranglers that are fully built and sitting on a lot in Toledo, or waiting on 100 Jeeps that customers have ordered (includes significantly more than just Wranglers and just Wranglers that are in the lot limbo between "fully built" and on a trail / truck).

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[miweber929]

I like you, I can tell we would be friends if we knew each other IRL.

You are probably correct about Guptons backlog.

My goal, as I posted somewhere before, I forget which thread, isn't to mislead or scare noobies, but rather to detail both of my buying experiences to provide them with factual details of my builds in order to allow them to reasonably manage their expectations before they buy.

I think many dealers are "optimistic" in providing realistic delivery times to make the sale.

Dealer tells them 6-8 weeks then they see posts here about people claiming a 4 week order/delivery.

Then when it takes a more normal 10-12+ weeks plus, it is very stressful for them (and me ?)

Better to expect long times and be surprised when it shows up "early"

In the end IIWII ain't nuthin no one can do able it except whine.

I love Gupton, but when pressed a little, he says nothing he can do.

My question is, on possibly the highest volume retail customer Jeep dealer in the US, is it a matter of nothing he CAN do or nothing he WILL do?

If I were his wife I'm expecting something could be done. ???

I think you've done a good job of letting people know this is your experience, so I shouldn't have looped you in on the scaring people statement. My bad.

There are several others, though, that as soon as someone says they ordered a jeep, oh happy day, jump in and say you'll never get it, it's going to be hell, no one helps ANYWHERE, Jeep chat and your dealer is a waste of space and expect sometime next year for delivery; thereby sh!tt!ng on what is their happy day when MOST Jeeps do get delivered in a somewhat reasonable timeframe given todays conditions. Not everyone get's the shaft, just some and no one knows why.

I would be livid, so I get it.

The Gupton thing I completely agree with: Why they can't hire their own drivers, buy their own rigs and not be stuck in this loop that they are in. They already get delivered by truck and not rail so Jeep is giving them some leeway in the normal process, why not a bit more?

Just my thoughts

 

[falcon241073]

Shipping is often the most frustrating part as you are so close. I get it. Mine was in shipping for almost 6 weeks...and then was lost for three days when showed up at local railyard. It all resolved and been driving new Jeep for a month now.

Have patience. It will happen.

Hahaha. That’s normal. I pull a tanker for a living. We are contracted to one company to
Pull and deliver their product. So we go back to the plant empty after delivery. Usually. Every now and then a driver will get a call telling us to go by a chemical plant to pick up a base chemical for the product the shipper makes. It’s because the railroad company loses tanker cars filled with chemicals. Yes they have no clue where they are. Could be on a rail yard. Or sitting on a rail spur in the middle of nowhere attached to other cars waiting on a train to come by and hook up and drag them to delivery.

At least a lost vehicle in a rail car won’t screw up an eco system if it ruptured. Hahaha

 

[HunnerWoof]

It's only been two weeks since I ordered my Jeep. After reading all these posts, I'm seriously considering just settling for what's on a lot. I thought it would be great to get everything the way I want it, but after seeing these wait times, I may bail. The dealer told me 12 weeks but I guess that won't be the half of it.

It really depends on what and when you ordered. There are plenty of people who have posted 8-12 weeks from start to finish. Mine was about 16 weeks, but that included the end of year holidays and the BY changeover, as well as delays for the SOT top components.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

I found those Jeeps everyone has been waiting on

 

[JeepN3RD]

As someone that works in accounting / auditing, I suspect the "delivered" status is VERY important and just sitting on a lot, not yet SHIPPED would not meet the FOB shipping point OR FOB delivery.

Think about it from the dealer perspective, they have to pay interest on the vehicles in their inventory. This is called 'floorplan' and NO dealer would be willing to pay interest on a vehicle not in their possession. That floorplan is a big loan to the dealership and I suspect when the vehicle is officially on that floorplan it is considered "sold" by the mfg.

So with all of that in mind, I am doubting the auditors will consider the revenue / "sold" until they are on the dealers lot where the vehicle is actually generating interest income (for possibly third party who is financing the dealers floorplan)

If you look at the monthly sales figures for those Wranglers for several years you will see a signficant jump in number of units "sold" every year in March compared to February. So the evidence seems to suggest that "they" (Jeep) "sell" (deliver, whatever their standard is) a bunch of Jeeps and so I am offering HOPE to all of us that are waiting... that there is financial incentive for Jeep to get your Jeep OFF their books!

Another interesting bit of info, my dealer ran their query today and over the weekend my Jeep shipping status changed to "Truck Vendor Changed", on 3/18 and again 3/21, both times the "Carrier" is RPMF. I am guessing that is RPM Freight https://www.rpmmoves.com/ who appears to be a huge OEM vehicle carrier!!

The dealer mentioned that SEVERAL of their orders are all showing this status now, they had 19 orders on Toledo Raceway Yard and mine is still saying that as the LOCATION (since 2/21) but still taking this as a good sign that maybe Jeep decided to send via truck OR.. slots are opening up and their are moving them around now!

So.. NOT trying to rain on the parade of any prospective buyers. In fact if they order today and they are waiting for their Jeeps in June.. this might all be true again (getting in before Q2 is over) etc!!

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