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I choke off airflow to my radiator on purpose for 5 months of the year so not much to say re overheating in AK, but I can assure you the thing could care less about the cold…and I mean stupid cold. As for DEF or other diesel related gremlins stranding you, my n of 1 is at 36,000 miles through the most remote places and some of the most serious wheeling in North America without a hiccup yet so my confidence is building in the 3.0 and its various systems.
You just gotta rub it in about Alaska and all it’s many harsh jewels, don’t you? Haha just jealousy speaking; hopefully by this time next year I’ll be plotting my move up to your neck of the woods.
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You just gotta rub it in about Alaska and all it’s many harsh jewels, don’t you? Haha just jealousy speaking; hopefully by this time next year I’ll be plotting my move up to your neck of the woods.
Here’s an under-appreciated bit of the experience for you to look forward to…many miles of beaches you can drive on without permits or speed limits or police or karens to ruin the fun. Oh and wheeling on icebergs…never gets old.
 

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There is not, that is part of the forum fear they like to bring up to keep people from buying the diesel. Your trips will see the needed time for DPF burn. It should give you a message to keep driving if your commute is ever too short during one of the burn times, but it will keep trying each drive time until it completes when it needs to.
Huh? I am a Ecodiesel owner and why the heck would I instill any fear to prevent people from buying the Ecodiesel?
All my post suggested that some extra care should be taken for diesel if someone only drive short distances. It will actually make the Ecodiesel ownership experience better if they are better informed about the nature of the beast.
 

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To add some personal experience with towing, I spent last summer and fall towing an A-frame camper that weighs about 2500 lbs with gear around Utah and Colorado (with a loaded Jeep, my wife, and our lab). Trips around once a month from May to November. Temps in the 80s to 100s for most of it. Lots of highway time and quite a bit of gravel and dirt roads, too. Lots of mountains. I also pull a 3500-3800 lb sailboat up and down the canyon around here. The only issues I've had with overheating were related to the oil leak repair and the dealer tech not properly bleeding the coolant afterwards. That was in April before we bought the camper and I was only pulling an empty boat trailer up the canyon.

We also spent a week overlanding in southern Utah last June in the midst of the heat-wave. Two days in a row our Jeeps were reading 115+ outside for several hours each day. The other days it was still over 105. You better believe we were wheeling and traveling during the day, keeping ourselves out of the heat (until someone got stuck or broke something).

The more I drive it, the more confident I become that it won't strand me. I got the diesel because we push way out there. My fuel economy on 37s was around 20mpg. My buddy in his JKUR manual on 37s with the 3.6 was around 12-13. He was getting fuel in any small outpost we went through.
 

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Huh? I am a Ecodiesel owner and why the heck would I instill any fear to prevent people from buying the Ecodiesel?
All my post suggested that some extra care should be taken for diesel if someone only drive short distances. It will actually make the Ecodiesel ownership experience better if they are better informed about the nature of the beast.
I didn’t read your post, or quote you or mention you but ok. Going back and looking at it, it is very tame compared to what the gassers usually come in spewing. They cry the most, therefore it’s easier for someone looking for diesel info to see one of their posts. They’ll be along soon now after this post lol.
I had a 2500 Denali, luck in housing made my usual drive at the time about 15-18 minutes. Sometimes I’d get a message to keep driving so I would take the outer loop around post or roll out to the highway. It wasn’t much of an inconvenience and I’d use that time to get diesel since base didn’t sell it.

(If there was no diesel option I’d buy the 2.0t in a heartbeat)
 

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One dip into that endless reserve of Ecodiesel torque and you'll trash the spreadsheets. And...I'm a retired numbers guy.
Yeah.... Flipped the Tazer to 0-60 and saw 7.48 sec and chirped the tires.
 

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Alright, what do I do for a lift if I go with the diesel?

Lots of others are trying to talk me into the XR package, which isn't a diesel option. My other contender is the AEV 2.5" lift. ....seemingly sends you down a black hole of thousands of dollars of other upgrades.

Wish they would do a XR package for the diesel and set it up with the right size gears - maybe it wouldn't overheat.
Mopar 2" lift. More than enough room for 37's. That's what I am doing on my 22 that will be here soon. Her's is running 35's with that lift. Also not planning to tow anything bigger than 2000 lbs.
 

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- DEF gauge issues: This seems to be a fairly rare issue but IS an issue with some diesel Wranglers and one I suspect Jeep will have a software fix for eventually. When that fix comes available, it'll either be released as a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) or a recall. If it's a recall, you'll be able to get the update free of charge no matter how long you've owned the Jeep or what warranty is remaining. If it is a TSB and you're under bumper-to-bumper warranty, you shouldn't have any issue with getting the work done for free at a Jeep dealership. If you're out of warranty, some dealerships might charge you an hours labor or whatever, but if that ever becomes the case, I can point you to several Jeep dealerships in Montana that will take care of a TSB free of charge.
DO NOT overfill your DEF tank as this is one thing that has a higher likely-hood of causing your DEF gauge to be inaccurate. It also may trigger a fault code.
 

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Boy is that an ignorant statement . . . sounds like you don't get up into the mountains when you trailer . . .

The overheating problem has been well documented and is pretty well understood to happen when certain conditions are met. Be thankful you haven't found yourself in those circumstances . . . but many people have experienced those conditions.
Like yourself I live in one of the hottest climates in America and head out on adventures that takes me through some very steep grades in the mountains. I haven't towed in the mountains nor will I ever place a roof-top tent or something similar on top of my rig. Although my payload surly exceeds the marginal load capacity. I'm constantly trying to refine that and keep it at a minimal. It's this whole Overland thing which I am a fan of but I'm constantly trying to minimize and take every effort constantly to downsize my payload. Jeep continues to improve. It's the Jeepers that continually push the envelope especially with this overlanding thing thinking they need everything under the sun and the kitchen sink when heading out for several days and nights off the beaten path. I'm confident if we packed our rigs more like we were going out on a backpacking Adventure, there would be far fewer of these concerns. And the capability that the jeep was intended to perform would remain optimal. I will admit I was intrigued and interested even at one time very serious about these small trail type trailers. But like everything there's never a stopping point. Two-door Jeep to a four-door Jeep then adding a trailer a roof-top tent. A Jeep Wrangler was never intended nor was it engineered for such a thing it's the Jeepers pushing the envelope. Jeep knows there's a heat concern with the diesel stuffed in the small engine bay of this Wrangler. It's my understanding and I've also read that the European EcoDiesel Wranglers come with a functional vented Hood. I believe this would be very effective in allowing the hot air to escape caused by the diesel and the Turbo. What is it with the auto manufacturers always putting the optional cool accessories or functionable factory options, (here in the Wrangler Diesel case), standard on European models and not the US market. I think it just needs to breathe and vent better. This non mechanical vented hood improvement such as a the one found on the European models, if it proves itself, it could be the Holy Grail by eliminating this overheating issue and 100% maintenance-free. Come on Jeep Cares! Let's give it a try. Give us an option. We have the block heater for cold climates at least make it an option to order the vented Hood for the hot climates. It's another reason I don't like Rubicon's, and I'm not talkin the 392, I see more posers that will never wheel the Rubicon than any other model. Those non functionable fake hood ornaments? Why? jmo it plays to that whole poser got to roll on 20's ...lol..the Rubicon sticker, Rubicon embroidered on the seats and the toy Matchbox fake hood scoop. It's okay, it keeps the trails less congested and more Rubicon crowds at your local mall, and Wally's World.
 

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Alright, what do I do for a lift if I go with the diesel?

Lots of others are trying to talk me into the XR package, which isn't a diesel option. My other contender is the AEV 2.5" lift. ....seemingly sends you down a black hole of thousands of dollars of other upgrades.

Wish they would do a XR package for the diesel and set it up with the right size gears - maybe it wouldn't overheat.
I have a 2021 eco diesel with the aev lift and 37's and wouldn't change a thing. The lift rides and handles great and does well off road. We went with method wheels and added the Mopar tailgate reinforcement kit and have no worries with our set up. We live in Colorado and havent seen any issues with overheating and our goal is to purchase a boreas trailer which comes in at 2100lbs dry.

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I choke off airflow to my radiator on purpose for 5 months of the year so not much to say re overheating in AK, but I can assure you the thing could care less about the cold…and I mean stupid cold. As for DEF or other diesel related gremlins stranding you, my n of 1 is at 36,000 miles through the most remote places and some of the most serious wheeling in North America without a hiccup yet so my confidence is building in the 3.0 and its various systems.
It's curious the "Casey the ecodiesel YouTuber" lives in BC and has overheating issues - I'd expect similar conditions to MT/AK.
 

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We Jeepers put auxiliary lights, winches, and bullbars in front of the radiator. That could extenuate the overheating issue.
 

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Oh, so just because you haven't overheated/derated makes this problem "wildly overblown"? Monitor your gauges when you make that trip and please let us know the route you take and report back.

For me, I know the exact locations/roads and conditions where I will see oil temperatures in excess of 240 degrees . . . If I were towing and ambient temperatures were in excess of 100 degrees, it would make for a very bad day.
I'll bite.

Towing 5500lb boat/trailer, August in SE LA (average 93*, 93% humidity), at highway speeds. Here are my normal/towing temps. Normal in portrait, towing in landscape.

Jeep Wrangler JL Ecodiesel Eco-nomics & Issues Coolant temp - normal


Jeep Wrangler JL Ecodiesel Eco-nomics & Issues Oil Temp - normal


Jeep Wrangler JL Ecodiesel Eco-nomics & Issues Trans Temp - normal


Jeep Wrangler JL Ecodiesel Eco-nomics & Issues Coolant Temp - towing


Jeep Wrangler JL Ecodiesel Eco-nomics & Issues Oil Temp - towing


Jeep Wrangler JL Ecodiesel Eco-nomics & Issues Trans Temp - towing
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