Clutch Issue, Class Action Filed

[Bayrat]

How do you know they aren't and there just aren't many suits?

Possibly, however, any time a car company has a lawsuit for something as severe as it bursting into flames due to a factory defect, it's all over the lamestream media.

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[Mguy]

Good to see recent posts on this thread, but there is still more room for improvement. Some posters seem to be trying.

Considering the 19A recall, there is a good chance the case will be resolved in favor of many, if not most, MT owners. But it is important to note that class actions are typically dependent on overcoming procedural hurdles used by defendants, and that often means delays (and lots of attorney fees).

Members on this board can always vent or troll, and generate bits of information embedded with legitimate opinion. Sometimes it's even entertaining.

In this thread, it would be informative to see posts on what remedies actual MT owners would like from Stellantis. See my post 10 in this thread. What should be the priorities?

 

[Mguy]

At this point, Jeep should offer buybacks and refund every dollar. That is a lemon and auto manufacturers should be help accountable.

Thanks for your post. Buyback is a pretty serious remedy, even for "lemons." Certainly some MT owners, among those who are satisfied with stock clutch performance, will want to keep their Jeeps after getting a new clutch. But getting to a "its safe" mindset is a problem which some owners may have difficulty solving.

 

[cripton805]

Thanks for your post. Buyback is a pretty serious remedy, even for "lemons." Certainly some MT owners, among those who are satisfied with stock clutch performance, will want to keep their Jeeps after getting a new clutch. But getting to a "its safe" mindset is a problem which some owners may have difficulty solving.

Well, I mentioned offering it. Because some people are stuck with a vehicle that is unsafe and Jeep is unwilling to fix the problem. Yet, they continue to sell them. It shouldn't be up to the customer to fix a car under warranty / recall. If the owners choose to make the repairs, then that probably saves Jeep from any liability.

 

[Ol’ Timey Manual SWB Guy]

It would be informative to see posts on what remedies actual MT owners would like from Stellantis... What should be the priorities?

How about: Replace a physical sub-assembly that’s known to be deficient with a physical sub-assembly that’s known to be up to the task (e.g., ACT)? How about that?

I mean, this isn’t like a Pinto, Corvair, Crown Vic situation (Google those). The risk isn’t fundamental to the overall vehicle design. It’s just a bolt-in thingy. So… like… let’s just bolt in the thingy, eh?

 

[Mguy]

How about: Replace a physical sub-assembly that’s known to be deficient with a physical sub-assembly that’s known to be up to the task (e.g., ACT)?

You make a good point. Based upon what Stellantis is saying and offering for the 19A recall, owners now get a new "stock" clutch and "improved" software to detect and/or predict a potential catastrophic failure. It seems many owners reject this approach because for decades clutch failures, on a wide variety of manufactured "stock" vehicles, never suffered catastrophes. Heat from expected use did not cause clutch failures, and failures from wear were telegraphed by an easily recognized symptom--slipping.

Owners of pre-electronic manual transission vehicles knew how to use them and when to replace their clutches. For reasons that we JL owners can now only speculate, our clutches don't adequately provide warning of misuse or wear. The Stellantis solution, a fresh start with a "new" clutch and "improved" software (an algorithm without a temperature sensor), seems experimental.

So some owners will never like the 19A offering and will want the known solution. Others will be willing to give 19A a try. I think both are reasonable positions and I hope that Stellantis, either because of litigation or not, fully supports both owner positions.

 

[GtX]

So some owners will never like the 19A offering and will want the known solution. Others will be willing to give 19A a try. I think both are reasonable positions and I hope that Stellantis, either because of litigation or not, fully supports both owner positions.

Stellantis isn't going to ask each owner their preference. They're going to offer the solution that is optimal in their calculation. If an owner wants a different solution it's on them.

 

[Mguy]

If an owner wants a different solution it's on them.

You might be right, or might be wrong. That's what litigation is all about.

 

[Mguy]

If the owners choose to make the repairs, then that probably saves Jeep from any liability.

I don't have a clue whether this is correct or not, but I hope that any owner who takes the 19A repair has not waived any legal remedy.

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