I've since come to the realization that there is actually no fuel additive on the market for diesel engines that is nearly or even close to as good for your engine as straight biodiesel!
Interesting stuff...
This actually brings up more questions than I had before.
So basically the study was done back in 2003 when biodiesel fuel was really hard to come by. And the number one winner for HFRR improvement is to add a 50:1 ratio of baseline fuel to 100% biodiesel.
I just did the math and it was pretty redundant because it tells you right there in that study, 2% REG SoyPower bio-diesel, where 2% is the amount of biodiesel put into each tank of 100% diesel fuel.
So basically what this study found is that your best bet for the best lubricity of your diesel fuel is to simply use a biodiesel fuel mixture. But again that was back in 2003. Nowadays biodiesel fuel is readily available all across the country.
So if this study is correct, we don't need any fuel additives! In fact just buying B5 biodiesel fuel is going to provide plenty of lubricity for all of our vehicles. I actually get all of my fuel at Bucees, who sells 10% biodiesel fuel.
At this point, I might as well keep using Marvel Mystery oil because my lubricity is so insanely good based on the study listed above, that a 42 micron worst score isn't going to matter now. On a more serious note, should we even be using fuel additives at this point?
If you didn't read the study all the way through, the study was done in Texas.
Reading is hard. Posting a 37-minute youtube video describing 3rd-hand knowledge of additives with lots of sensationalism mixed in will net better results for sure.
The sad part is, you're completely right.Reading is hard. Posting a 37-minute youtube video describing 3rd-hand knowledge of additives with lots of sensationalism mixed in will net better results for sure.
I just want you to know that I don't even own a diesel and I care about this post.I've since come to the realization that there is actually no fuel additive on the market for diesel engines that is nearly or even close to as good for your engine as straight biodiesel!
Honestly, I'm still shocked that no one has read this post yet. The post which basically kills all fuel additive arguments... And nobody read it! Even bump the damn thread because of how massive this find was, and not a single soul gave a shit..
I give to you, the reason why fuel additives for diesel engines are no longer necessary:
I'm at the point now where if this post doesn't take off, and I don't feel it's getting the views it deserves, I'm going to turn it into its own thread. I mean this is additive killing information!
I've since come to the realization that there is actually no fuel additive on the market for diesel engines that is nearly or even close to as good for your engine as straight biodiesel!
Honestly, I'm still shocked that no one has read this post yet. The post which basically kills all fuel additive arguments... And nobody read it! Even bump the damn thread because of how massive this find was, and not a single soul gave a shit..
I give to you, the reason why fuel additives for diesel engines are no longer necessary:
I'm at the point now where if this post doesn't take off, and I don't feel it's getting the views it deserves, I'm going to turn it into its own thread. I mean this is additive killing information!
Sorry, bit of rambling in this one! As I went along, the response just kept growing...
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Sorry, bit of rambling in this one! As I went along, the response just kept growing...
Interesting points. I will say I feel like the only ones that really pertain to most people here are the algae growth in stored biodiesel fuel, and whether or not biodiesel fuel is available near you.
I'm lucky enough that all of the pumps near me specifically sell biodiesel. Honestly I would have more trouble finding non-biodiesel diesel fuel in my area, then I would finding biodiesel fuel.
However pertaining to the amended rules of Mopar for dealing with the HPFP issues they've had. Really that says more about the fact that they didn't actually fix the Bosch CP4.2, and thus need to edit how they handle treatment of the HPFP in our Wranglers. Let's be honest here If they fixed the Bosch CP4.2, they wouldn't need to create an amended upkeep list. They only did so because they didn't fix the problem.
As for the rubber gaskets being destroyed by the methanol in biodiesel, a little bit of research into the percentage of methanol in the final product goes a long way here.
(I don't know why, the website hates me today, it won't let me upload photos.
(So I'm just going to tell you what the screenshots inform you of and I guess you can do your own Google searches of it later if you so choose.)
Basically through a process called Transesterification where in 20% of the weight of the process to make biodiesel fuel comes from methanol. However that doesn't match what the amount of methanol in the end product is. In the end product, of 100% biodiesel fuel, only about 2 to 10% of the product is methanol at the end. Now obviously with my local Buc-ee's, providing B10 biodiesel, where in the 10 stands for 10% biodiesel... of that 10% of biodiesel, only (let's just say the max) 10% of that 10% is methanol in the final product that you put into your vehicle. So if we do a little bit of math:
1 gallon = 128 fluid ounces
128 x .1 = 12.8 fluid ounces of 100% biodiesel per gallon of B10 biodiesel
12.8 x .1 = 1.28 fluid ounces of the final product is methanol.
Or if you want to get less technical, 1% of every gallon of B10 biodiesel fuel is methanol.
To correlate this to rubber gaskets and the destruction thereof, I'm going to look at E85 fuel which has on average a 10% ethanol content per gallon of E85 fuel. At which amount the scientists are saying will destroy most rubber gaskets in the automotive industry which typically are made of dipolymer FKM rubber, however when I say it will destroy them, what I mean by that is the normal wear and tear for gaskets in E85 fuel engines is typically several years or tens of thousands of miles... And again that's 10% versus the 1% in the fuel that I'm purchasing.
Here's the article:
https://www.oilandgasiq.com/oil-and...rubber-sealing-manufacturers-are-adjusting-to
(Not all of everything I mentioned above is listed in that article, again the unfortunate downside of me not being able to upload screenshots today)
But don't forget, E85 fuel powered engines are designed with rubber gaskets that will hold up to the higher amount of ethanol in their fuel. In the same way our EcoDiesel engines are designed for biodiesel fuel, which means the gaskets are going to be designed to hold up to the methanol in the biodiesel fuel, otherwise FCA wouldn't be recommending a certain percentage of biodiesel fuel. In this case as you said 5% biodiesel is the maximum they want you to use. And if you want to correlate that to a percentage, that's 0.5% of our diesel fuel that is methanol.
You know something else I just thought about, so the issue of 100% biodiesel fuel growing algae is a real thing, but at the same time, if 10% of that fuel is methanol, which is an alcohol, how much algae do you think is going to be growing in that sort of environment?
I could go on for days about this shit. But that's probably also why the original study that I was basing my findings off of, had listed 2% biodiesel. Which is underneath the 5% that FCA recommends. So if you want to be Frank, pretty sure if you run 5% biodiesel, you won't have any issues. At least for the normal lifespan of your gaskets in your ecodiesel Wrangler.
But I mean realistically if you don't want to trust the lubricity studies done by an independent source, I mean that's your choice. Obviously I think in your case the biggest thing is that the biodiesel fuel is not readily available to you, so using what you have around you is probably best. However for those of us with the ability to actively get biodiesel fuel, the reality is, fuel additives aren't needed for us.
I got to say, after using fuel additives for the last 3 years, it's really awkward not using fuel additives now. Haven't for the last two fuel-ups. It's definitely going to take some getting used to. I probably say it way too much on here, but I'll feel so much better about not adding fuel additives when my CP4.2 has been swapped out for a CPX!
Let's be honest here, it's only a mystery if you don't believe!!Know one knows what's in it, it's a mystery
