Actual 392 Cost Difference

[Ten4Jeep]

Interesting Wrangler build walkthrough showing the actual cost premium needed to upgrade from the 3.6L to the 6.4L, with the same options on both vehicles. I understand that the 392 only comes in the Rubicon, which forces some buyers to get options they may not want or need. However, for someone wanting a fully loaded Rubicon, plans to keep it stock, wants the V8 power, performance and awesome dual-mode exhaust, the cost of the 392 drivetrain is basically only ~$16K premium!! Especially for the 7-10% below MSRP deals that can be had with customer ordering.

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[Paluss]

ONLY?? 392 drivetrain is basically only ~$16K premium!! I doubt the cost for a (existing motor in the line up) V8 engine and accessories cost additional $16k

 

[Bzinsky]

You should always buy vehicles based on cost of ownership, not msrp. All that matters is how much it costs you in the end.

392 with a heavy discount off msrp is a pretty good buy from a depreciation standpoint. Most of the cost is the fuel, which is heavily dependant on where you drive it. 10mpg of premium is not fun.

392 probably is 10mpg city/suburbia, and 18-20mpg in rural areas that you don’t do alot of stopping.

Hybrids like the 4xe are the opposite.

That’s why I have a 4xe, because we’re talking about 25mpg suburbia Vs 10mpg in the 392.

If I lived in a rural area, where the 4xe probably averages the same 25 mpg, and the 392 average 18-20mpg. I’d definitely go 392.

 

[aldo98229]

Not bad if you consider a HEMI swap is about $30,000 these days.

Plus a 392 should be easier to resell than a JL with an aftermarket engine swap.

A HEMI swap might make sense is if you already happen to own a JL outright and now want the V8.

As others have said before, though, the key to Jeeps is in proper gearing.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Here is a post to read about the 392, no one in their right mind should attempt to compare the 4xe to the 392.

200 miles range is really getting annoying, even on freeway doing 75 and use until last drop it's 250 per tank. Had some seriously range anxiety in trails..(when bone stock is about 300 miles)


https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-the-392-50-50-but-may-be-just-a-rant.100007/

 

[caraholic]

Here is a post to read about the 392, no one in their right mind should attempt to compare the 4xe to the 392.

200 miles range is really getting annoying, even on freeway doing 75 and use until last drop it's 250 per tank. Had some seriously range anxiety in trails..(when bone stock is about 300 miles)


https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-the-392-50-50-but-may-be-just-a-rant.100007/

4XE range is really annoying too. It has such a small gas tank.

 

[BXFXJeep]

4XE range is really annoying too. It has such a small gas tank.

The 4xe and other PHEVs isn't built for regular long range travel, if anyone is blowing through a tank of gas regularly on highway miles, then the 4xe is not for them, even if the government is baiting them with thousands of dollars to buy one.

 

[stumblinhorse]

Here is a post to read about the 392, no one in their right mind should attempt to compare the 4xe to the 392.

200 miles range is really getting annoying, even on freeway doing 75 and use until last drop it's 250 per tank. Had some seriously range anxiety in trails..(when bone stock is about 300 miles)


https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-the-392-50-50-but-may-be-just-a-rant.100007/

The mileage of the 392 is over blown by the people that drive it like a hod rod. If you drive it like a Jeep, like any other Jeep, it gets about what a 3.6 gets. 200 mile range Hmmm. I have 200 miles with more than 1/2 tank left. Oh and look I am pulling away from a stop light at less than 5000 rpms. Wonder how I get more than 10-12mpg.

 

[BXFXJeep]

If you drive it like a Jeep, like any other Jeep

not exactly sure what that means, drive a Wrangler like grandma? Not sure I would drive a 392 like gammy.

Take note @Ten4Jeep drag race civics sparingly.

 

[stumblinhorse]

not exactly sure what that means, drive a Wrangler like grandma? Not sure I would drive a 392 like gammy.

Means that it is a Jeep not a hot rod. Drive how you want, but don’t blame it for 10-12 mpg if you are constantly launching it from stop lights etc.

i think it is just the types of buyers. If your other vehicles are BMWs/Audis/sports cars the 392 is another one of those. My other vehicles have more power than my 392. But they get used to haul stuff and are big. I have had a Jeep since 1992. They are utility vehicles and are great for off road, hunting trips, bad weathers, deep snow. Glad I have one that now can keep up with traffic. My other 5 of them not so much.

 

[caraholic]

The 4xe and other PHEVs isn't built for regular long range travel, if anyone is blowing through a tank of gas regularly on highway miles, then the 4xe is not for them, even if the government is baiting them with thousands of dollars to buy one.

It’s not regular but when used on the occasional trip it’s annoying. Still a fantastic truck nothing is perfect

 

[Bzinsky]

The mileage of the 392 is over blown by the people that drive it like a hod rod. If you drive it like a Jeep, like any other Jeep, it gets about what a 3.6 gets. 200 mile range Hmmm. I have 200 miles with more than 1/2 tank left. Oh and look I am pulling away from a stop light at less than 5000 rpms. Wonder how I get more than 10-12mpg.

You obviously live somewhere that you do a lot of sustained speeds 40-65mph.

nobody gets 20mpg in suburbia or a densely populated area in a 392

Also why on earth would anybody buy the exact same jeep with a 470hp v8 if they are not going to utilize the extra hp.

 

[kdiff]

Especially for the 7-10% below MSRP deals that can be had with customer ordering.

Agreed on the price difference being a pretty decent deal if one’s going to buy a loaded up Rubicon. In my experience engine conversions are rarely as cheap or problem free as they appear. And you get a factory warranty this way.

Is Ratbert’s Dealer spreadsheet the best place for me to find 10% below MSRP on a 392?

 

[stumblinhorse]

You obviously live somewhere that you do a lot of sustained speeds 40-65mph.

nobody gets 20mpg in suburbia or a densely populated area in a 392

Also why on earth would anybody buy the exact same jeep with a 470hp v8 if they are not going to utilize the extra hp.

Drive how you want, like I said. I use every single one of the 470hp every time I take it out. my point is this, I don’t sit there and rev the engine, I don’t race other vehicles. I don’t hot rod it around. One of My pickups has 900ft/lbs of torque. My other pickup has 600ft/lbs of torque. I use that power every time I drive those. They are trucks and the 392 is a Jeep. I don’t say “watch this” with my 900ft/# truck, why would I do that with my 392 with half the power?

 

[Ten4Jeep]

Agreed on the price difference being a pretty decent deal if one’s going to buy a loaded up Rubicon. In my experience engine conversions are rarely as cheap or problem free as they appear. And you get a factory warranty this way.

Is Ratbert’s Dealer spreadsheet the best place for me to find 10% below MSRP on a 392?

Well said The point you make is kind of what stood out to me about this 392package. It seems that those that have done a V8 conversion, typically spend around $30K... and then always seem to be fiddling or adjusting to get all the stuff to play nice together. The Jeep is going to be mostly my wife's daily, so I wanted the top trim for her (Rubicon), so I figure the $16K 392 option is for me ?

Me personally, I didn't quite get 10%. I only got a 7.7% below MSRP deal on our '23 order from Mark Dodge in Lake Charles, however it is close enough that I will pick it up myself and won't have to pay any shipping.

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