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Jeep is most likely a trade in, has over 2000 miles on it.
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All they’re selling is the look. That’s all that matters for most people.
Joe, I tend to agree with you.

Except...that huge amount of poke makes it look like an old-fashioned roller skate. Maybe it looks better from a different angle. I bet if I gave you a fully optioned stock Willys and $20K+ to work with, you could come up with a tasteful, capable, aesthetically pleasing Jeep. That one is none of those.

And...for $20K you could use all best-of-breed components.
 

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4wp doesn’t even operate in Washington any more. Total off-road and more bought their Washington and Oregon stores. Only California now. So probably done by then but either way idk why they do this crazy stuff. I got my sport as base as I could get it. If I could have gotten manual windows manual locks and base radio I would have. I’m not sure I’d have modified a rubicon or Willys after spend that kind of money on it. I got mine for just under 29k. My tires and rubicon take off suspension & rock rails set me back $2300 total.
 

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It is not even the Rubicon with its transfer case and the new fancy axles. Now you know why I don't go to them for service.
right. But just the rear. Same front. And
The Willy’s does have the same rubicon axles 18-23 rubicons. A few other threads also set they are thicker tubes, too!

I have purchased new rubicons for over a decade every 2-3 years. This time the choice was easy. Willy’s. I added a front Eaton locker. And a swayloc. I’m still 7k under the cost of a rubicon. And equally capable. I don’t need the sticker to wheel.

eventually I’ll swap out the transfer case but to be honest, I’ve taken it on a few Moab trails already and zero issue. It was nice to not have to go back and forth between 4l and 4h. The 2.72:1 is convenient.
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a few weeks ago it walked through golden spike, poison spider, and gold bar rim. No difference from the prior rubicons I’ve driven.
 
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right. But just the rear. Same front. And
The Willy’s does have the same rubicon axles 18-23 rubicons. A few other threads also set they are thicker tubes, too!

I have purchased new rubicons for over a decade every 2-3 years. This time the choice was easy. Willy’s. I added a front Eaton locker. And a swayloc. I’m still 7k under the cost of a rubicon. And equally capable. I don’t need the sticker to wheel.

eventually I’ll swap out the transfer case but to be honest, I’ve taken it on a few Moab trails already and zero issue. It was nice to not have to go back and forth between 4l and 4h. The 2.72:1 is convenient.
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a few weeks ago it walked through golden spike, poison spider, and gold bar rim. No difference from the prior rubicons I’ve driven.
The new Willys must be hurting the sale of Rubicons, Jeep must be regretting it. The suspension is the same too and the fenders and the ground clearance and the tires and wheels
 
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When the 4x4 shop told me that my 2024 Willys has the same exact front axle from a 2023 392, I was the happiest man alive 😃👍
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