2.0T eTorque vs Non eTorque? - anyone driven both?

[Odyssey USA]

Problem is that the eTorque doesn't use the energy from regenerative braking or slowing, it's only a "mild hybrid" that just charges off the engine with a "belt driven motor generator" (BSG)

Let me rephrase because I am unfamiliar with what term is used when the generator reclaims lost energy during braking, which Etorque does... Generator braking/engine braking regeneration?

I reread your post one more time. The BSG does assist in braking and in doing so produces electricity. There’s quite a few YouTube videos that are very detailed. One has the engineer who helped create it riding along.

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[Punkindave]

Let me rephrase because I am unfamiliar with what term is used when the generator reclaims lost energy during braking, which Etorque does... Generator braking/engine braking regeneration?

I reread your post one more time. The BSG does assist in braking and in doing so produces electricity. There’s quite a few YouTube videos that are very detailed. One has the engineer who helped create it riding along.

I did some more reading and by what I see you are correct..

I had a Honda full hybrid and the motor was between the engine and trans. It also had a distinctive "two phase" feel on the pedal when braking as it would engage the motor to slow the car and charge the batteries. when pressing the brake pedal. It would not actually engage the hydraulic brakes unless it determined that the motor wasn't enough. The Jeep doesn't have that feeling and I had read somewhere that the "mild" hybrid wasn't a full implementation as most hybrids. I also remember it being stated that the generator wasn't actively involved in braking.

 

[Odyssey USA]

I did some more reading and by what I see you are correct..

I had a Honda full hybrid and the motor was between the engine and trans. It also had a distinctive "two phase" feel on the pedal when braking as it would engage the motor to slow the car and charge the batteries. when pressing the brake pedal. It would not actually engage the hydraulic brakes unless it determined that the motor wasn't enough. The Jeep doesn't have that feeling and I had read somewhere that the "mild" hybrid wasn't a full implementation as most hybrids. I also remember it being stated that the generator wasn't actively involved in braking.

I definitely feel the supplemental “braking” on mine. You can hear it too. IE, more drag than if it were not there like with any accessory on the front of the engine. It does create drag so to me it is assisting in braking in addition to creating electricity at the same time.

 

[jayvis]

First off you deny this was even a possibility. Now you claim “just a few built with fittings that weren’t tight”. Your credibility is out the window. Extreme technology paranoia? No this is a real issue. There may be a “few” documented but there are WAY more “issues” that are going unaddressed and undocumented by owners because they don’t know.

It sounds like you might have bought your Jeep on a wim and are trying to justify it by making yourself believe that your choice was the best possible. We all make our buying choices based on individual reasons. Spouting off about every nitpicky issue that a few individuals might have reported isn't going to make you the world champion and savior of potential Wrangler buyers. From all accounts that I've read, eTorque was removed from the 2020 Rubicon purely for cost reduction purposes. Not because it's been proven to be a consistent warranty issue. I'm on my 8th Jeep product over a 40 year span and I can honestly say that I'm thrilled with the technological advances that Jeep's incorporated into the JL. I'm not thrilled with the big price increases we've seen, but glad that the JL is now much closer to a 21st century vehicle when it comes to comfort and performance.

 

[Germansheperd]

It sounds like you might have bought your Jeep on a wim and are trying to justify it by making yourself believe that your choice was the best possible. We all make our buying choices based on individual reasons. Spouting off about every nitpicky issue that a few individuals might have reported isn't going to make you the world champion and savior of potential Wrangler buyers. From all accounts that I've read, eTorque was removed from the 2020 Rubicon purely for cost reduction purposes. Not because it's been proven to be a consistent warranty issue. I'm on my 8th Jeep product over a 40 year span and I can honestly say that I'm thrilled with the technological advances that Jeep's incorporated into the JL. I'm not thrilled with the big price increases we've seen, but glad that the JL is now much closer to a 21st century vehicle when it comes to comfort and performance.

It was removed from Sports as well.

 

[Germansheperd]

Fact is that these are not design flaws, and has zero to do with technology. This is an isolated assembly line quality issue, nothing more. The well documented ESS issues with the "tried and true" 3.6 ESS battery failures leaving folks stranded is another story. (the eTorque doesn't have this). Sadly my Wife just purchased a 2020 JLUR that has this stupid system, time will tell...
To be honest, if I were given the choice, I'd rather not have the eTorque complexity, but I do love the eTorque 2.0 and it's power both on and off road (even though I'm unconvinced it actually provides better MPG in my "all highway" drive.)

Ever hear of Murphy’s Law?

 

[Germansheperd]

lol, This technology is not going away. I looks as if it was removed from certain models for cost savings to push the 2.0T. Its a great set up so far and not sure why you would worry when there is a 8 year warranty on everything. Soon everything will be at least some form of mild hybrid.

I dont want to go to hospital even though my insurance will cover it.

 

[Thinman]

My personal decision not to choose it on my Ram last year was because it was an extra point of failure with little benefit. Was also very put off by the sales guy referring to it as a hybrid more than once. It's not. If anything, they should refer to it as an electric assist. Hybrid means something completely different to regular consumers and I already own a Prius.

 

[viper88]

I definitely feel the supplemental “braking” on mine. You can hear it too. IE, more drag than if it were not there like with any accessory on the front of the engine. It does create drag so to me it is assisting in braking in addition to creating electricity at the same time.

What do you hear when the supplemental braking is happening?

 

[Odyssey USA]

What do you hear when the supplemental braking is happening?

The electrical whine from the BSG is more pronounced. It’s not the transmission or differentials.

 

[viper88]

The electrical whine from the BSG is more pronounced. It’s not the transmission or differentials.

You only hear the noise/whine when you lift off gas pedal?

 

[Odyssey USA]

You only hear the noise/whine when you lift off gas pedal?

Correct

 

[viper88]

Correct

I do notice some whine when lifting off gas pedal. It goes away as soon as you apply gas and comes back right when you lift.

 

[Odyssey USA]

I do notice some whine when lifting off gas pedal. It goes away as soon as you apply gas and comes back right when you lift.

That’s my experience.

 

[psdtime]

I drove both on a dealers lot, both JLRUs. The 2019 E-torque had 35" tires, the 2020 was stock. I hate to admit it, the E-torque felt much stronger and shifted much smoother. I too didn't want to deal with the added complexity so, I went sans E-torque and sans turbo and got a V-6. I did feel that the e-torque drove better than both, and I could even gotten a better deal on it, but still decided on the V-6.

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