Why Wrangler doesn't get the 5.7L option?

[Guv]

There is 1 Jeep that tows relatively substantial loads well. My gladiator has no issues even at 8200lbs (a bit over ratings). Towed this thing 600 miles without issues including mountain passes and 20+ miles of desert washboard dirt roads. If you need to tow really heavy you need a 2500-3500 and preferably diesel, but then it's not off road worthy for shit. Obviously it's not the brakes as the gladiator is effectively the same there.

It’s all about the what if’s.
By this I mean an emergency evasive maneuver, God forbid you had to deal with a:
Obstacle at high speed
An animal
Blown tire, etc.
Jeeps aren’t known for their stability on roadways. Their wheel house is off roading.
Manufactures apply those towing limits for a reason.

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[Zandcwhite]

It’s all about the what if’s.
By this I mean an emergency evasive maneuver, God forbid you had to deal with a:
Obstacle at high speed
An animal
Blown tire, etc.
Jeeps aren’t known for their stability on roadways. Their wheel house is off roading.
Manufactures apply those towing limits for a reason.

The JT is rated at 7,700lbs, I doubt the extra 550lbs is doing much as far as stopping distance or stability. Sure if the primary use is towing 8k+ pounds buy a full size truck. For the once or twice in a decade that I need to tow that heavy it'll do the job. Having driven an f150 out the washboard dirt road to our property with a similar load, I'll take the Jeep every time for both stability and ride comfort.

 

[Jeep Junkie]

Fun thread, lots of SWAG (scientific wild ass guessing). And I see that our resident oil connoisseur is back.

 

[DaltonGang]

There is 1 Jeep that tows relatively substantial loads well. My gladiator has no issues even at 8200lbs (a bit over ratings). Towed this thing 600 miles without issues including mountain passes and 20+ miles of desert washboard dirt roads. If you need to tow really heavy you need a 2500-3500 and preferably diesel, but then it's not off road worthy for shit. Obviously it's not the brakes as the gladiator is effectively the same there.

I've seen a Honda Civic towing 2 full sized pickups, loaded with crap, down the freeway. Ive seen examples of this many times, as they make their way towards the border of Mexico. The question isn't can it tow that weight? The question should be, should it tow that weight?

 

[Zandcwhite]

I've seen a Honda Civic towing 2 full sized pickups, loaded with crap, down the freeway. Ive seen examples of this many times, as they make their way towards the border of Mexico. The question isn't can it tow that weight? The question should be, should it tow that weight?

The gladiator shares its rear suspension with the ram 1500 that tows 10k+. It handles the load just fine, stops just fine, even cornering in the mountains. A few hundred pounds over rated is nothing. We aren't talking a 15k pounds trailer. We are talking towing 8k pounds with a 5500lb truck. That's not a gonna civic at 3x it's weight. Those ratings have safety margins built in. I've seen guys claiming you should never exceed 50% of the rating? Do they but actual big rigs to tow a large toy hauler? Should we only tow 3500 lbs with the gladiator? I'm comfortable pushing the limits a bit, not remotely afraid of pulling at the ratings for sure.

 

[Willys.JLU.2021]

Simple answer - it takes an enormous amount of effort and cost to certify, at the federal level, drivetrain choices offered in vehicles sold in North America. Stellantis has laid off a lot of US based engineering resources and the ones that are left (and the ones outsourced overseas) are trying frantically to get the Recon launched (one year late), the 4xe Gladiator (should be easy, right?) as well as the upcoming replacement for the JL Platform.

Sorry mate,. ain't going to happen.

Ok I finally got the reference point on the 5.7 hemi. A 2026 Dodge Durango with a 3.6 Pentastar is priced around 40k. The 2026 Durango now can be ordered with the 5.7 hemi and is priced at approx 47k.So now we know Jeep needs a 7k premium for an upgrade from 3.6 V6 to 5.7 hemi. Imagine a 40k Wrangler Sport with a Hemi for 47k. They are rushing to put it in the Durango because nobody wants one with a V6 at least not many but they've been able to certify it on the Durango. 7k...add it to a 52k Rubicon..boom we are at 59k..how many 49k Sports could they sell or 59k Rubicons w a v8?

 

[2nd 392]

Ok I finally got the reference point on the 5.7 hemi. A 2026 Dodge Durango with a 3.6 Pentastar is priced around 40k. The 2026 Durango now can be ordered with the 5.7 hemi and is priced at approx 47k.So now we know Jeep needs a 7k premium for an upgrade from 3.6 V6 to 5.7 hemi. Imagine a 40k Wrangler Sport with a Hemi for 47k. They are rushing to put it in the Durango because nobody wants one with a V6 at least not many but they've been able to certify it on the Durango. 7k...add it to a 52k Rubicon..boom we are at 59k..how many 49k Sports could they sell or 59k Rubicons w a v8?

The Durango now available with a 392 for $50 K, and essentially an unbadged SRT, one helluva deal. The loaded launch edition $57,595.

 

[Willys.JLU.2021]

The Durango now available with a 392 for $50 K, and essentially an unbadged SRT, one helluva deal. The loaded launch edition $57,595.

There you go. Exactly. Bingo.

 

[joopjoopy]

He returned after a month's "absence", but has been keeping a relatively low profile. Not even a poll!

I mean when you get booted for being a creep keeping a low profile make sense.

 

[WXman]

There is 1 Jeep that tows relatively substantial loads well. My gladiator has no issues even at 8200lbs (a bit over ratings). Towed this thing 600 miles without issues including mountain passes and 20+ miles of desert washboard dirt roads. If you need to tow really heavy you need a 2500-3500 and preferably diesel, but then it's not off road worthy for shit. Obviously it's not the brakes as the gladiator is effectively the same there.

The JT is rated at 7,700lbs, I doubt the extra 550lbs is doing much as far as stopping distance or stability. Sure if the primary use is towing 8k+ pounds buy a full size truck. For the once or twice in a decade that I need to tow that heavy it'll do the job. Having driven an f150 out the washboard dirt road to our property with a similar load, I'll take the Jeep every time for both stability and ride comfort.

Right, the Gladiator is a real truck. Even on the dedicated JT forum I've had this debate with guys for years. The SAE J2807 certification has leveled the playing field and ensures that these trucks will SAFELY pull the weight. It's amazing how many people have a problem with a 5,000 lb. truck pulling an 8,000 lb. trailer.....but when those same people see an 8,000 lb. HD pickup towing a 30,000 lb. trailer they think nothing of it. People are odd.

My Gladiators had no issues towing at maximum tongue weight, gross trailer weight, and frontal area. We went all over the midwest and Ohio Valley region camping and fourwheeling.

 

[IndyTom]

Hi,

As mentioned testing is 1 factor, and even though the emissions requirements have lightened up to a degree, it effects their whole CAFE level.

On paper a 3.6 or 2.0 keeps them better, even though I would bet they (including a 5.7) would get 17-15mpg.

I find it funny my 3.6 has never gotten better than 18.6, normally 12-17)vs my Scat Pack Challenger with a 6.4/392 that gets 22, (normally17-19), yet the Challenger I had to pay gas guzzler tax vs my Jeep that normally barley gets 16mpg.

Regards,
Jim

I actually traded my Last Call Scat Pack for a brand new Willys and thought the same thing. I got 23 mpg with the 392 and only get between 15 and 17 with the Jeep . I guess that's what you get with driving around in a Brick. Still a lot of fun and less tickets

 

[ag4ever]

What motivation does Jeep have in adding the 5.7 to the engine lineup?

The Mexico plant produces about 100,00 hemi engines. This is 5.7 and 392 combined.

They are selling as many 5.7 as they make in the Ram.

To add the 5.7 to the Jeep:

New vehicle certification

cannibalize sales from Ram trucks

cannibalize sales from 392 wranglers

decreased profit margin compared to a 392

from indicators on threads like this one, if it is offered at any price above bare costs, the target demographic will reject it.

so, what are the benefits to Jeep or where is the incentive?

 

[Ratbert]

What motivation does Jeep have in adding the 5.7 to the engine lineup?

The Mexico plant produces about 100,00 hemi engines. This is 5.7 and 392 combined.

They are selling as many 5.7 as they make in the Ram.

To add the 5.7 to the Jeep:

New vehicle certification

cannibalize sales from Ram trucks

cannibalize sales from 392 wranglers

decreased profit margin compared to a 392

from indicators on threads like this one, if it is offered at any price above bare costs, the target demographic will reject it.

so, what are the benefits to Jeep or where is the incentive?

That's a sad take on it, but accurate.

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