It is done, 4xe no more.

[Stagewex]

I'm that guy. And I was not limiting that to Jeeps though I sense you are more passionate about yours than I am. To me it's just a vehicle.
All of the manufactures have us boxed-in now with these technical "marvels" which unfortunately have folks buying in at top price only to be disappointed. I'm a gas and 3-pedal guy till the end though I consider my '25 JL my Soccer-Mom Jeep. I tend to lease and then buy at the end of the lease if I really like the car/truck. But my last JLU (a 2019) started having electrical and software issues and it was best to turn it in rather than getting anything fixed. The scrathing of the head of the Service Manager was not the only hint that they really didn't know what was going on and I would be paying for the "search".

I'm very happy with my '25 JL so far. Have had it for 10 months now and I think about 5500 miles. So leasing really works fine for me and maybe not others. But I can keep or walk away with no depreciation. And other than a few doo-dads I transferred over from the 2019, keeps me from investing in something I may not have interest in a couple years from now. This is my fifth (5th) Jeep in the last 30 years since my first, a used 1987 that I could do all and any Maint. work on myself. Then a 2010, 2016, 2019 and the current 2025.
May go back to a 2-Door Stick if they still make them in 2028. Or maybe a moel from the 1980's? But have no illusions that the built in technology is no different than keeping an old iPhone or laptop computer and then finding out it cannot be updated anymore or fixed. That was not always the case. Again, any car or truck or Jeep.
I should add that I also drive and maintain a 2002 986 Boxter so 24 years old and just before that company went full-bore luxury/technical. So easy to work on. You cannot nowadays.
You cannot do that on a new one. Also a 53 year old '73 VW SuperBeetle and a 73 year old '53 MGTD. All these cars have a "soul". With the three (3) free oil changes that came with the '25 JL I probably won't be opening the hood except to add some washer fluid. And that's fine with me.

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[Rubi SoHo]

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Jeep guy math

 

[Zandcwhite]

I'm that guy. And I was not limiting that to Jeeps though I sense you are more passionate about yours than I am. To me it's just a vehicle.
All of the manufactures have us boxed-in now with these technical "marvels" which unfortunately have folks buying in at top price only to be disappointed. I'm a gas and 3-pedal guy till the end though I consider my '25 JL my Soccer-Mom Jeep. I tend to lease and then buy at the end of the lease if I really like the car/truck. But my last JLU (a 2019) started having electrical and software issues and it was best to turn it in rather than getting anything fixed. The scrathing of the head of the Service Manager was not the only hint that they really didn't know what was going on and I would be paying for the "search".

I'm very happy with my '25 JL so far. Have had it for 10 months now and I think about 5500 miles. So leasing really works fine for me and maybe not others. But I can keep or walk away with no depreciation. And other than a few doo-dads I transferred over from the 2019, keeps me from investing in something I may not have interest in a couple years from now. This is my fifth (5th) Jeep in the last 30 years since my first, a used 1987 that I could do all and any Maint. work on myself. Then a 2010, 2016, 2019 and the current 2025.
May go back to a 2-Door Stick if they still make them in 2028. Or maybe a moel from the 1980's? But have no illusions that the built in technology is no different than keeping an old iPhone or laptop computer and then finding out it cannot be updated anymore or fixed. That was not always the case. Again, any car or truck or Jeep.
I should add that I also drive and maintain a 2002 986 Boxter so 24 years old and just before that company went full-bore luxury/technical. So easy to work on. You cannot nowadays.
You cannot do that on a new one. Also a 53 year old '73 VW SuperBeetle and a 73 year old '53 MGTD. All these cars have a "soul". With the three (3) free oil changes that came with the '25 JL I probably won't be opening the hood except to add some washer fluid. And that's fine with me.

Show me one example of a modern vehicle that's aged out and can't be fixed, updated, or repaired because I've never seen it. As you've noted, you'll find everything still on the road from 100 years old to 100 days old and everything in between. You might not be comfortable working on a newer rig but many people are. Our 2019 never went back to the dealer. Stolen in 2022 unfortunately but flawless for 63k miles. The replacement 2022 xr will likely be around for the long haul. 4 years and 55k trouble free miles so far. My 2023 gladiator has been just as trouble free at
45k miles now. All 3 lifted by me, winches installed by my, aux lighting, skids, etc. Sure troubleshooting the chassis electronics can be a pain, but there are numerous people on here that have done just that, including replacing the star connectors, etc. Too much use (mileage) and too many mods for leasing and the mods start day 1 so I'm not waiting for a lease to run out. If you're a low mileage user and keep your rigs mostly stock there's nothing wrong with leasing, but the idea that it's the best option for everyone is foolish.

 

[DRVMN]

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[Tim W.]

Congrats! Now repeat after me. "Lease a hybrid, lease a hybrid, lease a hybrid." You are welcome.

They can be good, they can be bad, they can be someone else's problem after 3 years.

I leased my 4xe. Plugged in nightly.
It was faster than V6 or turbo 2.0 and I could go 2 months w/o buying gas.
My current Rubicon 3.6 has a big straw. And not fast.
Give me back my 4xe.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Funny you call me rich, I'm just a construction worker. I mange a good living because I work in the most expensive market in the world. We live in a modest 2 bed 1 bath 90 year old home that we bought 21 years ago. Didn't move up every 7 years like most. No pulling equity to buy crap. Yes we were able to buy our retirement property with cash, but at $40k for 41 acres it was cheaper than most new vehicles. Hard work, consistency, and a plan. You can say it like a 4 letter word as much as you want. Growing up poor and earning every dime I'm proudly unapologetic for where we are now. I've worked at least 2200 hours per year on top of commuting 2-5hrs per day because I won't live in an apartment or condo for 26 years. The American dream is still attainable for those who want to work for it. I've never bought a new car assuming any resale value at all as they'll be high mileage and wore out when I'm done with them. The same goes for our Jeeps. Use them, wheel them, roadtrip them, and that's where I get my money's worth. If they are worth a few grand when I'm done with them that's a win.

Let's see you don't own a 4xe, but somehow you manage to troll every 4xe related thread, trying to gaslight 4xe owners with blatant lies, and your solution happens to be, 4xe owners should eat the losses, and not Jeep.

Why do you try to defend Jeep and brush off the 4xe problems as nothing, is that because your company installs chargers, and related EV grift?

4xe owners eating the losses at the benefit of a multinational company is a rich man's game that you constantly tout, you sound rich enough to go that route, the rest of us not so much, and now you behave like you are the only one here that works hard

 

[Zandcwhite]

Let's see you don't own a 4xe, but somehow you manage to troll every 4xe related thread, trying to gaslight 4xe owners with blatant lies, and your solution happens to be, 4xe owners should eat the losses, and not Jeep.

Why do you try to defend Jeep and brush off the 4xe problems as nothing, is that because your company installs chargers, and related EV grift?

4xe owners eating the losses at the benefit of a multinational company is a rich man's game that you constantly tout, you sound rich enough to go that route, the rest of us not so much, and now you behave like you are the only one here that works hard

If you aren't "rich enough" to eat normal vehicle depreciation, which is what we are seeing in the 4xe once you factor in tax credits, you shouldn't be buying new vehicles period. You're poor financial decisions are all yours. If you were expecting to see 0 depreciation that's a you problem.

 

[BXFXJeep]

If you aren't "rich enough" to eat normal vehicle depreciation, which is what we are seeing in the 4xe once you factor in tax credits, you shouldn't be buying new vehicles period. You're poor financial decisions are all yours. If you were expecting to see 0 depreciation that's a you problem.

I didn't buy the 2021 4xe to sell it, or trade it, I bought it to last me at least 10+ years, I still don't have any intention in selling or trading it, to me personally it still has a lot of value I would not get with any another vehicle.

I personally have zero issues with the 4xe itself, I like many other 4xe owners do have an issue with the way Jeep is handling the fire prone battery problem.

My main problem is the loss of use because of Jeep poor handling of the fire battery, and BS patch work recalls, and also screwing up the operability, and functionality of the 4xe with their recalls. Owners are having serious problems after the recalls.

I also didn't get any tax credit, and no one else that bought a 2021 4xe in my Province got a tax credit.

Once again you have zero skin in the 4xe saga, so why again do you insist on trolling every single 4xe thread?

 

[Bleda2002]

I leased my 4xe. Plugged in nightly.
It was faster than V6 or turbo 2.0 and I could go 2 months w/o buying gas.
My current Rubicon 3.6 has a big straw. And not fast.
Give me back my 4xe.

Wife and I still love our 4xe. Its faster than anything this side of a 392 (and will keep up with the 392 til about 35-40), still gets better mpg than my similarly built gladiator for the first 100 miles after a charge and then is about the same, and now has an unlimited battery warranty. Sure the recalls are annoying but I also realize that the chances of it catching fire are significantly less than any gas powered Hyundai or even being struck by lightning so I'm not too bothered.

 

[DaltonGang]

As was said before, the 4XE, for most, is a "passion purchase", not a think things through purchase.
For those who love their electric Jeeps, good for you. Enjoy, and be happy. Just don't get all bent out of shape when things crap out on it, it leaves you stranded, it's in the shop for months on end, or it depreciated to an insulting level. Because, you have been warned, and in theory educated on Stellantis Hybrids.

As for those that say only !ease an EV/Hybrid, the one exception might be Toyota, they seem to get it right.
Also, add, only lease a British car, never buy one. I know from experience, with a passion purchase my wife made, with a Jaguar.

 

[Zandcwhite]

I didn't buy the 2021 4xe to sell it, or trade it, I bought it to last me at least 10+ years, I still don't have any intention in selling or trading it, to me personally it still has a lot of value I would not get with any another vehicle.

I personally have zero issues with the 4xe itself, I like many other 4xe owners do have an issue with the way Jeep is handling the fire prone battery problem.

My main problem is the loss of use because of Jeep poor handling of the fire battery, and BS patch work recalls, and also screwing up the operability, and functionality of the 4xe with their recalls. Owners are having serious problems after the recalls.

I also didn't get any tax credit, and no one else that bought a 2021 4xe in my Province got a tax credit.

Once again you have zero skin in the 4xe saga, so why again do you insist on trolling every single 4xe thread?

When you can't argue the fact that is nowhere near the "fire prone" you keep claiming and barely rises to the level of a mild fire risk all you have left is "YoU dOn't own one so you Aren't aLloWed to point out the HoLes in my LogiC". I don't need to own one to have experience and I certainly don't need to own one to observe the situation, the reality of the slight fire risk, the fact that nobody has even had to pay for a battery so it's hard to argue you were scammed, or the fact that despite the recalls they still hold their value about the same as any other used car. Big picture. Real statistics. Lifetime battery warranty. All of those things matter. But you want to cherry pick and run around like chicken little, have at it. Much like my point that we are all responsible for our own financial circumstances. You took it as just "work hard"? You missed choosing a career that pays well AND is in high demand, buying a modest home as soon in life as you can and staying in it, commuting for the double benefit of maximizing wages and minimizing cost of living without having to live in high density housing, consistency, having a plan, and living below your means. No silver spoon, lucky break, or trust fund required. The profession that is the most publicized for being under paid...teaching. And yet they make up a large percentage of millionaires in this country? It's not about making the most, it's about doing the most with what you make.

 

[jharp]

When the 4xe first came out my wife and I spent hours researching them. The concept was really interesting to me, as an engineer I saw this as the natural evolution of hybrids - getting functional value out of the technology beyond what Prius brought to the market. Value to a person like me, who wants to be off-road as often as possible.

Then I test drove one, and immediately it felt like the code running the thing was... Well, to say "half baked" would be an understatement, and giving the developers about %99 more credit than due...

So we waited, and a year or two later, the guy that sold me our Mojave JT called and said he could get us in a 4xe for about $200 a month lease.... That was tempting.

Test drove again, and found the thing still felt really "off" - I remember sitting at a stop light making salesperson small-talk, then the engine fired up (to charge the battery) and it felt like it suddenly took a ton of effort on the brakes to keep the thing from powering into the intersection, we rolled about a foot into the crosswalk before I got it stopped. Told the salesman "Nope, this ain't for me!"

I still think the technology and the concept of what this was made sense. As is typical in modern automotive times, what this started as in a team meeting around a box of pizza somewhere, and what rolled off the assembly line, are dramatically and irreparably different...

 

[jharp]

Show me one example of a modern vehicle that's aged out and can't be fixed

I think the most recent example would be Fisker - and it's not that there aren't plenty of people out there trying.

It's not about the mechanical or electrical systems... It's the encrypted, locked down, closed source software that presents problems.

Sure, someone could take a dead 4xe and gut it, drop in any powertrain you want. For some, it may be worth the effort.

I could do a hemi swap on my grannies' Hoveround, but is it worth the effort?

 

[Zandcwhite]

I think the most recent example would be Fisker - and it's not that there aren't plenty of people out there trying.

It's not about the mechanical or electrical systems... It's the encrypted, locked down, closed source software that presents problems.

Sure, someone could take a dead 4xe and gut it, drop in any powertrain you want. For some, it may be worth the effort.

I could do a hemi swap on my grannies' Hoveround, but is it worth the effort?

When you buy from a start up manufacturer that's a real risk. If it's built by the big 6 it will be serviceable for at least 50 years in my opinion and in documented history. Not to mention even the fisker owners have a network of independent shops that can service them just fine according to the fisker owners association.

 

[jharp]

In my line of work (Industrial process automation and controls) I've worked on systems 30+ years old, usually with an ancient laptop running Windows XP, connected by some obscure cable you can't buy anymore, and with software that's been discontinued for ten years, at least.

I have a stack of at least ten old laptops, with various unsupported software for these tasks.

These are the systems running your water treatment plants and your power grid.

Fifty year old control systems simply are not supported anymore, everyone retrofits these with modern hardware/software.

Cars from fifty years ago were almost exclusively mechanical, with very basic electrical systems, and even more basic computing systems.

Fifty years from now, the big 6 will not have the software or hardware tools, or the trained people to service these things. The software ecosystem that runs modern vehicles is generally considered ephemeral, without foundation standards like we use in the industrial world. If you don't believe me, try taking an 80's OBD-I car to a dealer and ask them to work on it. OBD-II improved this to some extent, but the underlying code running things is very much proprietary and the OEM has no intention of supporting it fifty years from now.

(image is a PLC 3, was the workhorse of the AB controls line and where I learned the trade... came out in the mid 80's and is very hard to find parts for today, let alone software and people trained to work on it...)

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