It is done, 4xe no more.

[Zandcwhite]

They knew the parts were in 2023, but kept churning out the 4xe, battery failures also started early in the production, so Jeep knew, but kept churning out the 4xe.

Jeep lies a lot, so it's difficult to know what they knew and when.

But pretty much any 4xe built after the first fire recall was fraud.

Or, they believed Samsung every time they claimed to have a fix? Why would I scrap an entire product line because a 3rd party vendor has an issue? Especially when they are saying it's fixed? Hindsight makes it real easy to criticize especially when it didn't work out well. Obviously they've given up on Samsung and dropped the 4xe entirely, but it's only practical to give the manufacturer some leeway to fix their issue first.

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[BXFXJeep]

Or, they believed Samsung every time they claimed to have a fix? Why would I scrap an entire product line because a 3rd party vendor has an issue? Especially when they are saying it's fixed? Hindsight makes it real easy to criticize especially when it didn't work out well. Obviously they've given up on Samsung and dropped the 4xe entirely, but it's only practical to give the manufacturer some leeway to fix their issue first.

Jeep knew exactly what they were doing, it would have taken them months, maybe a year+ to reluctantly issue the first 2023 fire recall.

Fire recall number 2, Jeep excluded 4xe on the lots, and production line from the recall for obvious reasons, that's billions in profits, and carbon credits, for those that can't figure it out.

However, they quickly cooked up a bogus defroster recall, and snuck in the the fire recall #2 updates in that non critical defroster recall

Jeep knew exactly what they were doing, and they only stopped when it wasn't profitable for them to keep pushing out faulty 4xe to the unsuspecting customers.

Jeep lies, keep fetching water for them.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Jeep knew exactly what they were doing, it would have taken them months, maybe a year+ to reluctantly issue the first 2023 fire recall.

Fire recall number 2, Jeep excluded 4xe on the lots, and production line from the recall for obvious reasons, that's billions in profits, and carbon credits, for those that can't figure it out.

However, they quickly cooked up a bogus defroster recall, and snuck in the the fire recall #2 updates in that non critical defroster recall

Jeep knew exactly what they were doing, and they only stopped when it wasn't profitable for them to keep pushing out faulty 4xe to the unsuspecting customers.

Jeep lies, keep fetching water for them.

There's a dozen other manufacturers out there. Nobody curved you to but a Jeep and certainly not a 4xe. You act as though they used some bargain basement temu battery vendor. If you're afraid of it, get rid of it. Odds are you'll get struck by lightning before the 4xe ever catches fire, but nobody is making you stay and live in irrational fear.

 

[BXFXJeep]

There's a dozen other manufacturers out there. Nobody curved you to but a Jeep and certainly not a 4xe. You act as though they used some bargain basement temu battery vendor. If you're afraid of it, get rid of it. Odds are you'll get struck by lightning before the 4xe ever catches fire, but nobody is making you stay and live in irrational fear.

Once again Jeep knew early in the production your premium top tier manufacturer Samsung battery they were using was faulty, but kept using the batteries, just like they knew the ECH was faulty from the Pacifica years earlier, but kept using the faulty ECH, and used it in the Wrangler 4xe, and then again in the GC 4xe.

I have a 2021, so this doesn't apply to me, it's the owners 2023+ that really got screwed by Jeep, and especially the heavily marked up 2024+, and those are in an even worse situation since their engines are screwed.

I bought the 4xe with the intention of driving it into the ground, which I still intend to do.

However Jeep knowingly screwed hundreds of thousands of 4xe owners later in the 4xe production, which ultimately turned a bad situation, into a cluster f#&#.

Luckily for me Jeep roped in hundreds of thousands of people into their game, if it was just a few thousand of us 2021-2022, we would have probably gotten screwed royally.

Rich people like you of course lectures us affected to take a heavy financial penalty to the benefit of a multinational company

And worse, the people unwittingly buying used 4xes will be in an even worse situation.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Once again Jeep knew early in the production your premium top tier manufacturer Samsung battery they were using was faulty, but kept using the batteries, just like they knew the ECH was faulty from the Pacifica years earlier, but kept using the faulty ECH, and used it in the Wrangler 4xe, and then again in the GC 4xe.

I have a 2021, so this doesn't apply to me, it's the owners 2023+ that really got screwed by Jeep, and especially the heavily marked up 2024+, and those are in an even worse situation since their engines are screwed.

I bought the 4xe with the intention of driving it into the ground, which I still intend to do.

However Jeep knowingly screwed hundreds of thousands of 4xe owners later in the 4xe production, which ultimately turned a bad situation, into a cluster f#&#.

Luckily for me Jeep roped in hundreds of thousands of people into their game, if it was just a few thousand of us 2021-2022, we would have probably gotten screwed royally.

Rich people like you of course lectures us affected to take a heavy financial penalty to the benefit of a multinational company

And worse, the people unwittingly buying used 4xes will be in an even worse situation.

Funny you call me rich, I'm just a construction worker. I mange a good living because I work in the most expensive market in the world. We live in a modest 2 bed 1 bath 90 year old home that we bought 21 years ago. Didn't move up every 7 years like most. No pulling equity to buy crap. Yes we were able to buy our retirement property with cash, but at $40k for 41 acres it was cheaper than most new vehicles. Hard work, consistency, and a plan. You can say it like a 4 letter word as much as you want. Growing up poor and earning every dime I'm proudly unapologetic for where we are now. I've worked at least 2200 hours per year on top of commuting 2-5hrs per day because I won't live in an apartment or condo for 26 years. The American dream is still attainable for those who want to work for it. I've never bought a new car assuming any resale value at all as they'll be high mileage and wore out when I'm done with them. The same goes for our Jeeps. Use them, wheel them, roadtrip them, and that's where I get my money's worth. If they are worth a few grand when I'm done with them that's a win.

 

[WannFly]

I am in the exact same boat. My 392 is in D1 status, my current offer on '21 4Xe is 30k from Carvana (Mar 26) with 19k Miles on it.
Jan 2025 Carvana offer was 33.2k

I did pocket the 7500 from Govt (it felt good)

Took a chance on the Hybrid, didn't pan out. I have made worse financial decisions in life. Life goes on.

Honestly, my 4Xe has zero issues, apart from this annual recall saga and one failed ECU. Last year when it passed the recall, I decided to keep her as long as I can and put a bunch of after-market stuff on it, only to get into same recall later in the year. I am done with this BS

Had paid 62,078 (without taxes) on Jan of 2022 - 7500 rebate. $54578 actually paid.

4 years of depreciation (assuming Carvana still pays 30k) = $24,578 OR $6,144 per year. Not too shabby actually.

I do have low mileage going for me

 

[GinaC]

Carvana was super easy to sell to. I was nervous but the gal just went out, plugged her reader in and started it up. Then they took off my license plates for me. I had filed all the paperwork online already so I signed my title and it was done.

Just make sure to lock in your price before the 7 days is up.

 

[WannFly]

Carvana was super easy to sell to. I was nervous but the gal just went out, plugged her reader in and started it up. Then they took off my license plates for me. I had filed all the paperwork online already so I signed my title and it was done.

Just make sure to lock in your price before the 7 days is up.

I will have to reappraise mine, with upcoming work travel and the fact that I need to take out the lift, tires and a bunch of other crap from the 4Xe, it will at least be a couple of months before I am ready to sell.

Did you do a check or direct deposit from Carvana?

 

[Stagewex]

Listen... LEASE. Don't get stuck with a vehicle that becomes an expensive boat anchor. If you really like you can buy-out at the end of your lease. But chances are that things will go wrong if the do go wrong by the 3rd year.

Hybrid, Electric, Diesel or Gas no one including dealers can really fix these things anymore, just replace modules and parts. The software and computerization are beyond any mechanic who has grease on their hands ability. You start adding other 3rd party electronics and well... just read the issues that come up on this forum.

Average American car used to be built for 7 years of service. Of course last much longer with routine Maint. and such. At least that's what they say. I think less than that nowadays.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Listen... LEASE. Don't get stuck with a vehicle that becomes an expensive boat anchor. If you really like you can buy-out at the end of your lease. But chances are that things will go wrong if the do go wrong by the 3rd year.

Hybrid, Electric, Diesel or Gas no one including dealers can really fix these things anymore, just replace modules and parts. The software and computerization are beyond any mechanic who has grease on their hands ability. You start adding other 3rd party electronics and well... just read the issues that come up on this forum.

Average American car used to be built for 7 years of service. Of course last much longer with routine Maint. and such. At least that's what they say. I think less than that nowadays.

Good thing the internet exists. Average passenger car on the road is 14.9 years old and the average light truck is 11.9 years old. Hell they are all under full warranty for the first 3 years but you're convinced they don't last that long? Because 19 of them out of 400k have caught fire they all will? The forums will always be full of horror stories. Should I start a new thread every day updating people on our trouble free JLUR that's been on 39s and wheeled harder than most for 40k miles? I think that would just get annoying? At 60k total miles it's needed nothing but regular maintenance and a set of ball joints. And if you're actually going to use them, the Jeep is the last vehicle I'd ever lease. Between all the miles we drive traveling to wheeling destinations and the mods required to run hard trails a lease would never work. If you were buying the 4xe just as a commuter, nobody feels bad about your depreciation. There are far better commuters in ICE, HEV, PHEV, and full BEV. You bought an off road focused and expensive rig that gets terrible fuel economy and has a very short electric range for driving 100% on road but then want to pretend that leasing would have made it a smart move financially? Buying the right tool for the job is somehow not the better decision?

 

[GinaC]

I will have to reappraise mine, with upcoming work travel and the fact that I need to take out the lift, tires and a bunch of other crap from the 4Xe, it will at least be a couple of months before I am ready to sell.

Did you do a check or direct deposit from Carvana?

I did a direct deposit and it was pending in my bank account that night! Two days later it went through completely.

 

[ag4ever]

Best price I got was from carcash.com

if they have a location in your town I would suggest checking with them.

 

[ag4ever]

Good thing the internet exists. Average passenger car on the road is 14.9 years old and the average light truck is 11.9 years old. Hell they are all under full warranty for the first 3 years but you're convinced they don't last that long? Because 19 of them out of 400k have caught fire they all will? The forums will always be full of horror stories. Should I start a new thread every day updating people on our trouble free JLUR that's been on 39s and wheeled harder than most for 40k miles? I think that would just get annoying? At 60k total miles it's needed nothing but regular maintenance and a set of ball joints. And if you're actually going to use them, the Jeep is the last vehicle I'd ever lease. Between all the miles we drive traveling to wheeling destinations and the mods required to run hard trails a lease would never work. If you were buying the 4xe just as a commuter, nobody feels bad about your depreciation. There are far better commuters in ICE, HEV, PHEV, and full BEV. You bought an off road focused and expensive rig that gets terrible fuel economy and has a very short electric range for driving 100% on road but then want to pretend that leasing would have made it a smart move financially? Buying the right tool for the job is somehow not the better decision?

Not sure who that rant was aimed at, but some things are a passion purchase. Even then we hope they are not a stupid wasteful purchase. For me, I should not have bought the 4xe and bought the 392 I really wanted.

I know a Prius or Corolla would be the most economical and wise purchase, but I will NEVER buy one of those. Just does not inspire me. I am on this earth for way too short of a time to drive something I don’t enjoy.

I can’t buy more time, but I can always earn more money.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Not sure who that rant was aimed at, but some things are a passion purchase. Even then we hope they are not a stupid wasteful purchase. For me, I should not have bought the 4xe and bought the 392 I really wanted.

I know a Prius or Corolla would be the most economical and wise purchase, but I will NEVER buy one of those. Just does not inspire me. I am on this earth for way too short of a time to drive something I don’t enjoy.

I can’t buy more time, but I can always earn more money.

I replied to the guy who's advise was to lease no matter what. Leasing doesn't work for my use. I'll still argue that leasing a Jeep doesn't make sense for most, these are the most modifiable vehicles on the planet. I'm not about to add mods and remove them every few years.

 

[GinaC]

Not sure who that rant was aimed at, but some things are a passion purchase. Even then we hope they are not a stupid wasteful purchase. For me, I should not have bought the 4xe and bought the 392 I really wanted.

I know a Prius or Corolla would be the most economical and wise purchase, but I will NEVER buy one of those. Just does not inspire me. I am on this earth for way too short of a time to drive something I don’t enjoy.

I can’t buy more time, but I can always earn more money.

Yep, I should have never bought the 4xe, but hindsight is 20/20. In 2024 there was no hint that another recall was forthcoming. (I will always believe that this was fraud. We'll see what the class action lawsuits decide.)

The thing is, I didn't even like the 4-door. And I have to say that I like Mojito more than Tuscadero, but Mojito wasn't available in 2024. All in all, it worked out. My current Jeep is perfect.

If I hadn't bought the 4xe in 2024, I'd still be driving my 2006 TJ with no air conditioning because nobody could figure out how to fix it. And that was miserable. When I moved up here from South Georgia to Vermont in May of 2019, one of my dogs almost got heat stroke from riding in it. My husband had to fish her out and put her in the air conditioned U-Haul truck that he was driving.

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