Jeep whoops Bronco's butt

[dstevens]

You're missing the point of the video - which is not to compare a Jeep with a Bronco, but is to generate clicks.

When I wheel with Broncos they have to use lockers constantly. The whole time. With the slightest loose rock or uneven surface. Otherwise they get stuck in ridiculously easy places.

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[ASSFROW]

You're missing the point of the video - which is not to compare a Jeep with a Bronco, but is to generate clicks.

When I wheel with Broncos they have to use lockers constantly. The whole time. With the slightest loose rock or uneven surface. Otherwise they get stuck in ridiculously easy places.

Yes, but when they generate clicks and put out false information to people that believe them, I enjoy commenting about it and engaging with the other viewers, giving them correct information. I also enjoy shitting on their bologna.

 

[TEAMSLO]

I generally don't mention too much negativity..... But this channel and guys always bugged me. From them testing straight line super short distance at IMI Motorsports to their off road reviews. They give out terrible info for their off road content as they don't even know what they are doing.

Not directed at this video as I avoid their channel whenever possible. I know what the Bronco is capable of and it's struggles, same with the Jeep. Don't need a couple of guys that don't know what their doing to tell me otherwise.

 

[ASSFROW]

Frankly, even if the 4runner or the Bronco could soundly beat the Wrangler offroading it wouldn't have made a difference in my choice...They both beat it on the highway which is where my Wrangler spends the bulk of it's time anyway and I still went with the Jeep...
If I was a Ford guy I probably would have gotten a Bronco and if I was a yuppie I might have gotten the 4runner...
The heart wants what it wants...

I am a Ford guy and I drove an hour to a dealer to trade my F150 for a 2 door Bronco Wildtrak. Then I drove the Bronco. IMO it is garbage. Poor build quality, it rattled, squeaked and the wind noise was ridiculous. When I closed the door I thought it was going to fall off. It drove and rode like crap and the power wasn't impressive, but nice. I thought maybe a 4 Door would be better, so on my way home I drove a Badlands at my local dealer. It was no better. I decided to go back to a Wrangler and started putting stuff in my Northridge shopping cart to deal with the steering issues I knew it would have(my wife had a 2020 Sahara Altitude). I went and bought a 2024 4 door Rubicon 4xe and it drove unbelievably well, I ordered nothing for steering. The 4xe turned out to be a nightmare, so I took it back and the dealer cancelled the deal. A week later I bought a 4 door 2024 Willys. I put 35s on it and drove it 600 miles each way for vacation a few weeks later, again I was impressed with how well it drove. I totaled the Willys in February and replaced it with a 2024 Rubicon X and it drives very well on the highway. The 2024+ on road/highway driving is far better than previous years, no wander, minimal center dead spot. Straight axle trucks and IFS trucks, just drive different. To me the Bronco was twitchy with zero road feed back and wandered more than my Wrangler on the highway. I haven't driven the new 4Runner, but I have the previous models, they were ok and some straight up sucked. My F150 drove and rode far better than any 4Runner I've driven.

 

[Mocopo]

The ifs geometry is basically identical between the 4runner and the Bronco. I'm not seeing how the Bronco could have more articulation?

It's difficult to find exact wheel travel numbers for each, but Toyota and Ford both released expected RTI scores for their top 6th gen off road trims:

4runner: 555
Bronco: 700

That is not a small difference. Especially when you consider Bronco has a longer wheelbase as well, which is factored into the equation.

 

[ASSFROW]

It's difficult to find exact wheel travel numbers for each, but Toyota and Ford both released expected RTI scores for their top 6th gen off road trims:

4runner: 555
Bronco: 700

That is not a small difference. Especially when you consider Bronco has a longer wheelbase as well, which is factored into the equation.

Is the Bronco number for the Raptor?

 

[Mocopo]

Is the Bronco number for the Raptor?

No, the Bronco Raptor scores 590 because even tho it has more rear wheel travel, it has no sway bar disconnect up front (which has no advertised numbers for added articulation, but owners report seeing as much as an additional 4 inches of flex when disconnected)

700 is the advertised score for the Bronco Sasquatch, although admittedly on the Bronco forums I've found people reporting only as high as about 685 or so.

 

[Jtphoto]

You're missing the point of the video - which is not to compare a Jeep with a Bronco, but is to generate clicks.

When I wheel with Broncos they have to use lockers constantly. The whole time. With the slightest loose rock or uneven surface. Otherwise they get stuck in ridiculously easy places.

The one thing Michael has been honest about is Broncos ”DEPEND ON” their lockers due to lack of articulation. Other than that we all know this is all for clicks. They say the 4Xe actually road better then the Bronco on a past episode. This episode they are comparing their own weird Bronco offroad pkg to a Dealer owner Jeep 4Xe. Not even in the same ballpark really.

 

[jeepingib]

It's difficult to find exact wheel travel numbers for each, but Toyota and Ford both released expected RTI scores for their top 6th gen off road trims:

4runner: 555
Bronco: 700

That is not a small difference. Especially when you consider Bronco has a longer wheelbase as well, which is factored into the equation.

That's with KDSS which is better than sway fully connected, but doesn't articulate as well as without. The similar rigs with it disconnected actually score in the low to mid 600s.

And the 700 score is for a 2dr badlands non sasquatch model if I recall correctly? Which is a best case scenario, that's not often seen.



This video is closer to what I've seen. The Bronco is very similar to the 4 Runner. Yes, he has some mods on his 4 Runner, which probably help him. But the Toyota guys seem to be more quick to modify their rigs. I normally see rigs similar to his on the trail, but stock or only wheel and tire Broncos.

So I'm sure that your wife's Bronco is much more impressive than most 4 runners, with her mods. I would say that most trail driven 4 Runners are comparable to most trail driven Broncos.

 

[Mocopo]

The one thing Michael has been honest about is Broncos ”DEPEND ON” their lockers due to lack of articulation. Other than that we all know this is all for clicks. They say the 4Xe actually road better then the Bronco on a past episode. This episode they are comparing their own weird Bronco offroad pkg to a Dealer owner Jeep 4Xe. Not even in the same ballpark really.

Ya, the trims for each of these are not the best trims to compare. The Everglades trim is not a rock crawler trim. It is really considered the "Overland" trim: saquatch package but no swaybar disco, snorkel and winch from the factory. It only has the 2.3L 4 banger engine because that ones alternator is located higher in the engine bay. It's literally made for water fording.

 

[Jtphoto]

Ya, the trims for each of these are not the best trims to compare. The Everglades trim is not a rock crawler trim. It is really considered the "Overland" trim: saquatch package but no swaybar disco, snorkel and winch from the factory. It only has the 2.3L 4 banger engine because that ones alternator is located higher in the engine bay. It's literally made for water fording.

Apparently Michael debunked the alternator talk on a past episode as the 2.3L alternator is also low in the front. Can’t remember at the moment what he said the reason for only a 2.3L. May have been something about cooling.

 

[Mocopo]

That's with KDSS which is better than sway fully connected, but doesn't articulate as well as without. The similar rigs with it disconnected actually score in the low to mid 600s.

And the 700 score is for a 2dr badlands non sasquatch model if I recall correctly? Which is a best case scenario, that's not often seen.



This video is closer to what I've seen. The Bronco is very similar to the 4 Runner. Yes, he has some mods on his 4 Runner, which probably help him. But the Toyota guys seem to be more quick to modify their rigs. I normally see rigs similar to his on the trail, but stock or only wheel and tire Broncos.

So I'm sure that your wife's Bronco is much more impressive than most 4 runners, with her mods. I would say that most trail driven 4 Runners are comparable to most trail driven Broncos.

2 things... he openly says he has suspension mods on his 4runner, and all you have to do is watch him do the measurements and you can see he is way off lol. I'm not gonna say his final conclusion is wrong, but i will say his scores are very unreliable.

And i will also admit, my experience and the reason i defend the Broncos capability the way I do is because I believe I get much more exposure to them than the average off roader. The numbers are what they are, and i do believe those are firmly in the Bronco camp... but i also just can't unsee the things I've seen people put them through. You could make the argument that really i just don't have the same exposure to 4runners at that point. Maybe.

 

[Mocopo]

Apparently Michael debunked the alternator talk on a past episode as the 2.3L alternator is also low in the front. Can’t remember at the moment what he said the reason for only a 2.3L. May have been something about cooling.

You know what, I think you're right, I may remember something about that. I think (and I could be wrong again) it maybe actually has to do with the intake location. Either way, it's limited to the 2.3 for some reason specific to water fording.

EDIT: intercooler location! I remember now. The reason the first Rough County hidden winch options came out only for the 2.3 was because RC couldn't yet figure out how to get around or relocate the intercooler located below the radiator.

 

[Zandcwhite]

It's difficult to find exact wheel travel numbers for each, but Toyota and Ford both released expected RTI scores for their top 6th gen off road trims:

4runner: 555
Bronco: 700

That is not a small difference. Especially when you consider Bronco has a longer wheelbase as well, which is factored into the equation.

The 700 for the Bronco is the 2dr in everything I can find. The 4dr is only 620. Still better than the 4runner. Also that's for the non-sasquatch badlands trim as the longer bump stops limit travel.
I believe the suspension travel, ergo the wheel travel on a Badlands is 9.45 inches on the front axle and 10.25 for the rear axle.

Base is 7.88 inches front and rear is 8.46 inches.

Sasquatch package travel is 9.05 inches for the front axle and 9.88 inches for the rear axel.
The actual wheel travel numbers for the Bronco. Still looking for accurate numbers for the 4runner.

 

[GabeBoyTheGreat]

TFL is all over the place. Sometimes they nail it, and other times they live on a different planet. In a relatively recent video, Tommy mentions that he wishes the next gen Wrangler would have IFS. In other videos, he praises the solid axle for its capability. Can't make up his mind.

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