Public charger "protocol"

[Willys41]

Isn't that 10 minutes wasted filling up gas vs simply plugging in to charge at home zero minutes?

I don't know about you put I'm not a stay at home mom.
I cant imagine how long my 1000 mile trip would be if I had to stop every 250 miles recharge.

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[GinaC]

EV chargers should be in worse parking spots. That will fix it.

Honestly, I'm usually inclined to park farther away because I don't want dings.

 

[BXFXJeep]

I don't know about you put I'm not a stay at home mom.
I cant imagine how long my 1000 mile trip would be if I had to stop every 250 miles recharge.

I used to stop about every 250 miles for gas with my TJ, TJ and JK going 1500 miles one way to Florida, or mid west road trips, but I didn't have pixie dust to space my trips out further.

But even then a lot of times I/we would stop every 300 miles to overnight and soak up local action.

But if doing regular 1,000 mile trips is your thing, no one is forcing you to get an EV, if I was doing regular 1,000 mile trips I would not use a Wrangler or EV.

 

[Willys41]

I used to stop about every 250 miles for gas with my TJ, TJ and JK going 1500 miles one way to Florida, or mid west road trips, but I didn't have pixie dust to space my trips out further.

But even then a lot of times I/we would stop every 300 miles to overnight and soak up local action.

But if doing regular 1,000 mile trips is your thing, no one is forcing you to get an EV, if I was doing regular 1,000 mile trips I would not use a Wrangler or EV.

 

[alphawolff]

Back when courtesy chargers were installed in public places, it was to encourage EV use. If we listen to politicians, we were told that by now charging stations would be a lot more common than they are now. Billions spent, and next to nothing to show for it.

If the government (and it doesn't matter what party/side/belief has the majority) gets out of the car business we will all be better off.

I would be willing to bet that an owner of a 100% EV would have an issue with a PHEV, like a 4Xe, taking a charging space, especially when they really need one. As more apartment dwellers buy EVs, the issue will become worse.

The answer is more charging stations, but it's not as easy as it seems. For some reason there seems to be a huge reliability issue with them. But delving into that is an entirely different discussion that would take up many pages and have people getting their feelings hurt.

As for the hospital parking lot where you work, employee parking is fairly static, a certain number of workers at any given time. Hospitals everywhere are notorious for parking issues, what with patients, family, vendors, various other visitors, and increasing number of patients every year as the huge boomer generation becomes elderly and they have more and more health issues.

My wife has worked at several hospitals as a nursing director, parking has always been an issue at every one of those hospitals.

So, all of that having been said, the only way I would have an EV is to have a charger at home and the EV would be a third vehicle for running around town in. But, since I drive so little as is, the buy in cost for an EV and a charging system just doesn't work for me.

The biggest issue is we can't reliably store energy. As a result charging station usage can actually overwhelm the grid, especially during the hot summer months during a heat wave.

So we need:

A reliable energy grid with a lot of energy storage for increased demand when needed
Chargers available in *literally* every parking spot

Until both of those are common place EVs will never take off. I agree with the PHEV taking up a spot pissing off EV users. Making a wrangler a PHEV is completely insane, and it shouldn't exist. The idea of an EV is something highly energy efficient primarily for city use. The 4XE is a brick of wheels with horrendous energy economy, both electric and fuel. The entire concept is blatantly outrageous and makes no sense. The new charger EV weighs almost 3 tons. In what way is that efficient design?


This is marketing at its finest. A completely distorted reality of an all BEV future while creating the most inefficient EVs possible due to American vehicle standards.

 

[us3r1d]

Making a wrangler a PHEV is completely insane, and it shouldn't exist. The idea of an EV is something highly energy efficient primarily for city use. The 4XE is a brick of wheels with horrendous energy economy, both electric and fuel. The entire concept is blatantly outrageous and makes no sense. The new charger EV weighs almost 6 tons. In what way is that efficient design?

I don't think you're gonna get a lot of support on a Wrangler 4xe forum for the idea that the Wrangler 4xe shouldn't exist. Some, yeah, but not lots.

And you cannot seriously mean 6 _tons_ for a Charger EV?! That's twice the Wrangler 4xe's weight.

 

[alphawolff]

I don't think you're gonna get a lot of support on a Wrangler 4xe forum for the idea that the Wrangler 4xe shouldn't exist. Some, yeah, but not lots.

And you cannot seriously mean 6 _tons_ for a Charger EV?! That's twice the Wrangler 4xe's weight.

I apologize, 3 tons. About 5900 Lbs. For a two door coupe. The 4XE works for a lot of people with short commutes, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking we're doing the environment any favors here.

 

[BXFXJeep]

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Making a wrangler a PHEV is completely insane, and it shouldn't exist.

The Wrangler is inefficient with just as it is inefficient with gas, it's that simple, but for some bizarre reason 14 mpg is somehow better than, 49mpge.

The Wrangler 4xe seemingly works very well for the vast majority of people that own one, many of us rack up most of our miles on electric.

Then for some people there is the significant economical benefit of paying $1.50 for electric to go 21 miles vs $8 using gas.

And don't forget the superior handling and ride quality of the 4xe, then there is the increased power when the gas engine fired up.

For me it's a lot better running around the city on electric, than it is on gas at 14 mpg.

The heavy 4xe is the same weight as the 392, but somehow the 13 mpg 392 is better?

It's one thing to make valid criticism, but this borders on unhinged ranting.

 

[BXFXJeep]

I apologize, 3 tons. About 5900 Lbs. For a two door coupe. The 4XE works for a lot of people with short commutes, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking we're doing the environment any favors here.

No one in their right mind buys a Wrangler to save the planet, that's what the city bus and bicycle is for.

The planet saving rant is a stretch from critics that have nothing, and the car ban crowd, both equally making up utter nonsense.

 

[mwilk012]

The biggest issue is we can't reliably store energy. As a result charging station usage can actually overwhelm the grid, especially during the hot summer months during a heat wave.

So we need:

A reliable energy grid with a lot of energy storage for increased demand when needed
Chargers available in *literally* every parking spot

Until both of those are common place EVs will never take off. I agree with the PHEV taking up a spot pissing off EV users. Making a wrangler a PHEV is completely insane, and it shouldn't exist. The idea of an EV is something highly energy efficient primarily for city use. The 4XE is a brick of wheels with horrendous energy economy, both electric and fuel. The entire concept is blatantly outrageous and makes no sense. The new charger EV weighs almost 3 tons. In what way is that efficient design?


This is marketing at its finest. A completely distorted reality of an all BEV future while creating the most inefficient EVs possible due to American vehicle standards.

IMO, Toyota is right. Hybrids are the best. Driving our PacHy is one of the most enjoyable driving experiences. Toyota nailed it with the tech in the Prius, and then made it horribly ugly. The Camry hybrid is pretty slick. I’d love to have a sedan option that is American built and sourced that doesn’t look terrible. Thankfully my daily drive is 0.6 miles, so I drive the jeep and gas mileage just doesn’t matter.

The performance possibilities of hybrids like the 4xe are pretty wide open right now. They marketed the jeep correctly. Not as a green vehicle, but a torque monster.

The environment exists to serve us. Only delusional people think they can save “the environment” by their choice of car.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Right so comparing a long range transport vehicle to a private recreational vehicle, yea this makes a lot of sense

 

[Willys41]

Until a Wrangler EV has 1500 mile range, sits on portal and one motor per wheel I am not interested.

 

[GinaC]

The 4XE works for a lot of people with short commutes, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking we're doing the environment any favors here.

I disagree. I was filling up my 2006 Wrangler once a month because I rarely drive farther than a few miles at a time. I foresee having to fill up my 4xe maybe once every 4 months, more in the winter for skiing. I call that an environmental win.

Also, I have invested in my electric company's solar arrays because my roof was only four years old when I bought my house. Once my roof ages, I plan on putting solar panels up at the same time I install a new roof. If more folks put solar panels on their houses, we could really make a difference with the grid.

But hey, I'm a Vermonter, so many won't agree with me just because of that.

 

[Willys41]

I disagree. I was filling up my 2006 Wrangler once a month because I rarely drive farther than a few miles at a time. I foresee having to fill up my 4xe maybe once every 4 months, more in the winter for skiing. I call that an environmental win.

Also, I have invested in my electric company's solar arrays because my roof was only four years old when I bought my house. Once my roof ages, I plan on putting solar panels up at the same time I install a new roof. If more folks put solar panels on their houses, we could really make a difference with the grid.

But hey, I'm a Vermonter, so many won't agree with me just because of that.

I agree with solar panels put at $30K I will be dead and gone before I see a savings.
Also with so many people putting solar on there now they are tying to charge a solar tax.

 

[GinaC]

I agree with solar panels put at $30K I will be dead and gone before I see a savings.
Also with so many people putting solar on there now they are tying to charge a solar tax.

I'm happy to pay a solar tax so that we won't have to paddle a canoe down the streets of Montpelier again anytime soon.

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