TJ vs JL conversation.

[beast40]

3" on each side isnt anything to notice especially out at Uwharrie.

6" is a lot in the ruts and some of the S turns especially at Windrock.

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[yokramer]

6" is a lot in the ruts and some of the S turns especially at Windrock.

I had no issues out at either. The only time I ever had an issue with width is when we ended up on some SxS trail out at Windrock way back in there and even the TJ would have gotten plenty of pinstriping.

 

[flyer92]

in her words, "it just works."

Exactly...sure wish we could say the same about the JL.

So, now that you teased us with your TJ story, can we please see some photos?

 

[LukeDagny]

To each his/her own, but I never felt beat up or exhausted after driving my TJ, even after days-long road trips. Sure, the JL is more comfortable, but my TJ was my DD for 5 years and I drove it coast-to-coast two times with no issues. My use case doesn't involve a lot of road tripping anyway, so for whatever the TJ lacks in creature comfort, it makes up for in spades when it comes to reliability, simplicity, and ease of upgrading/maintenance.

In short...I'd rather be a little less comfortable in a TJ than getting stranded by another electronic gremlin, clutch failure, rear diff failure, engine failure, death wobble, or the litany of other "Jeep things" that exist with the JL. It is for this reason, that I'd never go wheeling by myself in it, unlike the TJ, which never let me down. But hey...YMMV and hope your JL provides yeoman service for years to come.

I thought TJ's invented death wobble I guess you never had a PCM failure, heater core, rear main seal or valve cover leak. I think each generation of Jeep had their problems. The newest generation Jeep seems to have more expensive problems.

There another thread about Bare Bones models that made me think, I wish they made a JL with hand crank windows and simpler technology, similar to TJ's. Certain TJ parts are getting harder to find.

 

[JeepinPete]

Oh no, I had death wobble on my '52 M38A1. Its long been a Jeep thing.

 

[flyer92]

I thought TJ's invented death wobble I guess you never had a PCM failure, heater core, rear main seal or valve cover leak. I think each generation of Jeep had their problems. The newest generation Jeep seems to have more expensive problems.

There another thread about Bare Bones models that made me think, I wish they made a JL with hand crank windows and simpler technology, similar to TJ's. Certain TJ parts are getting harder to find.

Agree that all generations of all vehicles have their issues...some more plentiful than others, some more expensive than others. The JL Sport does have hand-crank windows, manual seat adjustment, and less electronic voodoo than other models. I say this based on my own 2021 2-door JL, but I believe that later models may include more of the gratuitous complications that many of us would rather do without. As you stated, I really wish that Stellantis would produce a bare-bones offroad machine, but they'll never do it because the majority of its customer base wants all the bells and whistles. If Suzuki could bring the Jimny to the North American market, it would definitely fill that void and I'd gladly dump my JL. Until then, I just need to keep hunting for a good clean TJ.

 

[yokramer]

Agree that all generations of all vehicles have their issues...some more plentiful than others, some more expensive than others. The JL Sport does have hand-crank windows, manual seat adjustment, and less electronic voodoo than other models. I say this based on my own 2021 2-door JL, but I believe that later models may include more of the gratuitous complications that many of us would rather do without. As you stated, I really wish that Stellantis would produce a bare-bones offroad machine, but they'll never do it because the majority of its customer base wants all the bells and whistles. If Suzuki could bring the Jimny to the North American market, it would definitely fill that void and I'd gladly dump my JL. Until then, I just need to keep hunting for a good clean TJ.

Here ya go bud a modern CJ just for you

https://www.roxoroffroad.com/

 

[LukeDagny]

Agree that all generations of all vehicles have their issues...some more plentiful than others, some more expensive than others. The JL Sport does have hand-crank windows, manual seat adjustment, and less electronic voodoo than other models. I say this based on my own 2021 2-door JL, but I believe that later models may include more of the gratuitous complications that many of us would rather do without. As you stated, I really wish that Stellantis would produce a bare-bones offroad machine, but they'll never do it because the majority of its customer base wants all the bells and whistles. If Suzuki could bring the Jimny to the North American market, it would definitely fill that void and I'd gladly dump my JL. Until then, I just need to keep hunting for a good clean TJ.

This forum posts some nice TJ/LJ's for sale in the classified section.
https://wranglertjforum.com/#jeep-wrangler-tj-classifieds.18

If I ever win the lottery, I would buy another TJ to go with my JL I should probably buy a ticket to increase my odds.

 

[flyer92]

Here ya go bud a modern CJ just for you

https://www.roxoroffroad.com/

Yes, been looking at these for years, but they are too expensive for what they are and I don't believe they are even street legal. Better off spending the same amount or less on a decent CJ or TJ. As far as new vehicles are concerned, Jimny seems to be the best (but not perfect) solution for this void in the market. Highly capable off road, with decent performance/comfort on road.

 

[D00KEY]

So... who has some good pics of their TJ's?

 

[JLJKLJ]

So... who has some good pics of their TJ's?

How 'bout an LJ?

This is at the Hot Springs offroad park.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Yes, been looking at these for years, but they are too expensive for what they are and I don't believe they are even street legal. Better off spending the same amount or less on a decent CJ or TJ. As far as new vehicles are concerned, Jimny seems to be the best (but not perfect) solution for this void in the market. Highly capable off road, with decent performance/comfort on road.

Are you talking a new jimny? They are pushing $30k now and don't meet safety or epa standards. Wait 25 years and you can import one. Of course you'll spend decent TJ money doing that so why?

 

[Overkill]

So... who has some good pics of their TJ's?

I still have my TJ, so I can take some pictures of you want.

 

[D00KEY]

How 'bout an LJ?
This is at the Hot Springs offroad park.

Will always count in my book.

 

[D00KEY]

I still have my TJ, so I can take some pictures of you want.

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