Steering/Wobble/Wandering/Buyback

[KnG818]

Not really. Kinda sounds like bragging...and it's unwarranted.

Well, in all fairness driving does require skill. Some people suck at it.

Driving a Jeep requires a tad more skill.

Sponsored

 

[KnG818]

No offense...but this "excuse" is a tired one. I've driven a LOT of SFA vehicles. The steering on most of your fullsize 3/4T or larger Fords and Dodges is extremely good. Very tight, responsive, tracks straight, no dead spots....if left in factory form. The JL series...meh...not so much.

Same with the FJ80...as another example.

I've driven quite a few SFAs that were highly modified. Some drove similar to the Jeep (SFA conversions)...most even worse. Some drove even better, but to be fair, they weren't recirculating ball steering setups either.

The point...the fact that there are SFA factory produced vehicles that don't exhibit this issue negates the theory that it's not a design issue.

Your comparing completely different animals and you know it.

 

[KnG818]

The amount the tires deflect is directly related to the tire's construction and pressure. Very few tires of this size when properly inflated to street pressures are so poorly constructed that they allow a significant amount of deflection to affect play at rest. Doing this simple "test" is a pretty good way to try and diagnose where the slop is coming from IME.

No it's not, not by a long shot.

 

[KnG818]

Meh...I still think it just takes some getting used to. In stock form, I'm not convinced one should have to "get used to" anything in terms of the steering since *essentially* the same company generally gets the steering right in their full size line up...but whatever.

Lol

 

[KnG818]

Explain how the steering systems are vastly different.

Other than the JLs new electronic pump and aluminum box...

They're not...peoples perceptions are

 

[KnG818]

You don't have the issue allegedly...have you done the test?

Ask any mechanic that diagnoses steering parts...this is one of the FIRST tests they do to start the diagnosis process.

And yet you don't think it is 'by a long shot'? M'okay.

Curious, do you even own a JL?

 

[Firemadz]

My 2018 JLU Sport S -all stock- started with loose steering, tsb helped, then to shuttering, then to full on death wobble, dampener replaced, shuttering continued, wobble returned, steering wheel lock up on turns in the cold. Dampener replaced again. Still some shuttering but now on cold mornings my steering is not responsive and hard to control.

I’ve been dealing with issues since early on and just keep pushing through with the “Jeep thing” comments. I’m at 22000 miles, The issues seem to keep growing. If I were offered a way out I’d take it. To answer the question there are lots of good ones out there, I have two friends with 18s, a sport, and a Rubi - no issues.

She’s in the shop again since last Monday. Will see what the figure out.

If you’ve only had the steering stabilizer replaced, you’re dealer is ignoring all of the TSBs out there regarding other steering issues. I would make sure they aren’t overlooking everything else.

 

[Strommen95]

No offense...but this "excuse" is a tired one. I've driven a LOT of SFA vehicles. The steering on most of your fullsize 3/4T or larger Fords and Dodges is extremely good. Very tight, responsive, tracks straight, no dead spots....if left in factory form. The JL series...meh...not so much.

Same with the FJ80...as another example.

I've driven quite a few SFAs that were highly modified. Some drove similar to the Jeep (SFA conversions)...most even worse. Some drove even better, but to be fair, they weren't recirculating ball steering setups either.

The point...the fact that there are SFA factory produced vehicles that don't exhibit this issue negates the theory that it's not a design issue.

A quick google search shows plenty of complaints about steering with SFA trucks. Including stock vehicles that are brand new. I know Jeepers love to dog on Jeep and act like its issues are unique to the "shitty Jeep brand" but it's blatantly false to say other SFA factory vehicles don't have these issues too.

https://www.google.com/search?q=for...KEwjuzOir2JTmAhUSc98KHRZPDcwQrQIoBDAJegQIARAN

https://www.google.com/search?q=for...KEwjuzOir2JTmAhUSc98KHRZPDcwQrQIoBDAQegQIAhAM

https://www.google.com/search?q=sil...KEwjQ3bev2JTmAhVJneAKHf01B0YQrQIoBDATegQICBAM

https://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/topic/189041-2016-silverado-2500hd-steering-woes/

 

[ViperJon]

I'm sure that some Jeep owners do have steering issues and some Jeep owners do get serious DW (although many after having lifted them) but when I see a poster start to describe the feel of their new JL's steering as "vague" or "feels slightly unresponsive" or "it wanders on a very crowned road" my eyes just glaze over. Sometimes people just want (need?) to find issues. Seriously....."vague steering"......its a freaking truck designed for off-roading what on earth did you think you were buying?

 

[KnG818]

So you're claiming that driving a stock Jeep and a stock Ram from the dealer lot gives the same steering experience and that "people's perceptions" are different?

Just clarifying.


<- Can't read? It's in my profile.

No on the first. One may think it's good one may think it's bad same vehicle.

Sorry didnt see it.

 

[word302]

Just took video of my steering while going to get some breakfast.

Question: do you see this as "death wander" or normal? (Yes, I understand this is showing you deadspot but it's one in the same, I'll do a highway vid later of "wander")

While a dead spot might be related to wander, they are 2 sperate issues and remedied differently as well. Most wandering is attributed to caster. Adjusting the caster will likely improve a wandering issue but won't do anything to correct a dead spot. Dead spots are from play somewhere (or likely multiple places) in the steering system. You have to systematically locate and address the play to improve it.

 

[word302]

The issue is in your head

To assume everyone who has steering issues is operator error is short-sighted at best. Mostly you're just being obtuse, as usual Noah.

 

[KnG818]

To assume everyone who has steering issues is operator error is short-sighted at best. Mostly you're just being obtuse, as usual Noah.

Hater

 

[word302]

Hater

Guilty

 

[KnG818]

LOL....Brutal honesty. Gotta respect that.

Personally think its adorable how you two always pat each other on the behind

Sponsored