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[dragoneggs]

I asked this guy for directions to the mall.

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[Wbino]

I asked this guy for directions to the mall.

A good driver would not need a spotter.

 

[dragoneggs]

A good driver would not need a spotter.

I don’t know where he came from… I was trying to wave the damn J walker out of my way!

 

[Eyeball]

First time Jeep buyer, truely enjoyed the topless and doorless life for just over a year, but have no confidence in Stellantis and decided to divorce myself from them.

Once I learned of Corrosiongate I knew I wasn't going to keep the Jeep beyond the new warranty period. What accelerated my decision was the tanking trade-in values. They are shockingly low (45% on a 2023), so I cut my losses after I found one buyer who wanted exactly my build and paid a little more.

I can see myself buying a cheap 2-door manual beater in the future, though it may not be a JL if they are corroded to dust by then. This was my first and likely last new Stellantis purchase.

Wishing you all many trouble-free miles ahead. ?

OK thanks for letting us know so we won't worry.

 

[NWJeepr]

Also: When resale drops to 45% on a one year old vehicle, now is not the time to sell if you own one. Unless you're one of those buy-high, sell-low people, which is a really bad investing strategy. It's not a loss until you actually sell the vehicle. You realize the value by keeping and driving the vehicle for a long time.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Man, has Ford slipped in the past 8-10 years. I mean they are in big trouble. Last year they took a huge government bailout loan for their EV side of the business, then a short time later announced that EV production was halted. If it wasn't for pickups, the company would have been out of business long ago. And now they can't even build a pickup, their bread and butter vehicle, the number one selling vehilce in the US, without massive QC issues. I wouldn't own anything they made after 2017. My current F150, which is a 2015 and has been excellent, will likely be my last.

Last 8-10 years? The last 2 ford's I've owned were an 06 super duty with the failure prone 6.0L and a 2014 focus with the failure prone autosync transmission. Ford has been shit since the turn of the century and I'll never buy another 1.

 

[Windshieldfarmer]

You are one data point.

Yep….my other is my son’s 2014 Ford Focus. Perfect except for several transmission issues, all covered by an extended 10 year warranty provided by Ford. At least Ford stepped up….

 

[Zandcwhite]

Yep….my other is my son’s 2014 Ford Focus. Perfect except for several transmission issues, all covered by an extended 10 year warranty provided by Ford. At least Ford stepped up….

They extended the warranty after a class action lawsuit not out of good will and refused to refund the $2500 I'd already spent getting my garbage pile fixed. As a commuter the thing was out of warranty by the time it was 2 years old and the transmission started slipping and overheating by year 3. Last Ford I'll ever buy.

 

[Whaler27]

New Wrangler sales are down 14%. When that happens, and inventory builds, you start seeing discounts, cheap financing, and other incentives on new inventory.

Oregon dealerships which were putting $10,000+ ADM stickers on new 392s 18 months ago, are now advertising discounts of 5% or more off MSRP.

When new vehicles get less expensive used values take a beating. This was as inevitable as death and taxes, so many on the forum predicted It.

I’ve watched used Jeep values ebb and flow for decades. It’s silly to view a jeep as an “investment”. We should negotiate the best purchase price possible, and then drive/enjoy them. As others have observed, you haven’t lost money until you sell it — and if you really want to maximize your beating, drive around town trying to trade it in.

When you take your jeep to the Honda dealer for a trade valuation the used manager looks at recent auction prices and then calls the local jeep dealer for a bid. After that it’s a game of moving margin back and forth, depending on how much net they have in the new vehicle you’re negotiating to buy. If you move on to the Ford dealer and then the BMW dealer it’s a rinse and repeat scenario. The Jeep used manager says, “Yup. I just bid that jeep for the Honda store.” Real wholesale value on the trade is what it is, but dealership “C” may find a better way to package it because the margin or incentives on his new vehicle is more generous. If that’s the case there’s a reason for it… I can remember being offered about $3000 over KBB retail on my trade when I was shopping for a new diesel F350 6.0 diesel. Two months later those trucks were on the lot with huge chartreuse stickers advertising $10,000 off the Monroni sticker… They couldn’t give them away.

 

[SaintNick]

They extended the warranty after a class action lawsuit not out of good will and refused to refund the $2500 I'd already spent getting my garbage pile fixed. As a commuter the thing was out of warranty by the time it was 2 years old and the transmission started slipping and overheating by year 3. Last Ford I'll ever buy.

My parents had a few Fords with tranny issues.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Last 8-10 years? The last 2 ford's I've owned were an 06 super duty with the failure prone 6.0L and a 2014 focus with the failure prone autosync transmission. Ford has been shit since the turn of the century and I'll never buy another 1.

I'll give you those, hell the 6.0 was a pillar of reliability compared to the 6.4. At least the 6.0 can be modded to be an outstanding engine, the 6.4s only value is an an artificial reef or boat anchor.

The Getrag Powershift DCT was quite the blunder. Trying to make a transmission type more befitting of one in an exotic car and apply it to an economy car. The sad thing is that the Focus was a really great little car before that transmission was applied to it. And they just decided to quit making it because the reputation suffered so bad, or because they didn't want to invest in a different transmission. Probably both.

So yeah, I'll agree that it started sooner, let's just say the the downhill grade got steeper around 2018 or so.

 

[6th Floor Mule]

Studies have found that two door Jeep owners are less concerned about corrosion of hinges by 50% compared to owners of four door Jeeps. ?

I hate mathematologists ?

 

[Whaler27]

They extended the warranty after a class action lawsuit not out of good will and refused to refund the $2500 I'd already spent getting my garbage pile fixed. As a commuter the thing was out of warranty by the time it was 2 years old and the transmission started slipping and overheating by year 3. Last Ford I'll ever buy.

I had great experiences with my 7.3 Ford diesels in the 90s and early 2000s, but I was fortunate to dodge the 6.0 diesel.

My 2018 Raptor has been mostly great, though it isn’t much use for real truck duties. It’s extremely comfortable, fun to drive, and handles great. Unfortunately, the sunroof leaked, the bed light leaked, and the doors allowed water intrusion which would freeze in the winter, so the doors would open, but not latch again until they were warmed with a space heater.

My organization buys 40 or 50 pickups per year for heavy commercial use, much of which is offroad. Ford has become the least popular option, because so many have rattled apart and failed so quickly. They get purchased only when Dodge and GM trucks are not available, as was the case during COVID.

We bought Explorers for years too. Our fleet mechanics gave them the nickname “Exploders”, because their transmissions seldom made it past 80,000 miles. Our best vehicles, bar none, were the hemi-powered AWD Chargers. Fast, durable, great brakes, and amazing in every respect — so Stellantis discontinued them. Now we’re buying Durangos. The jury is out on them. Staying ahead of the disposable vehicle curve is a challenge.

 

[DMentdJL]

DID SOMEONT SAY SOMETHING!?

 

[DMentdJL]

Stellantis is just continuing the shit show FCA started a decade prior.

Jeep sales peaked in 2018 and have been declining every year since. Jeep sold 973,200 units in 2018; it only sold 545,100 in 2023. That’s a 45% decline in six model years. Unless Stellantis makes drastic changes, this year Jeep will be half the size it was at its peak.

BTW, this sales decline started well before COVID, chip shortages, Bronco, higher gas prices, higher interest rates, and any of that.

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