Sahara The Luxury Model?....Almost

[nerp]

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[Threxx]

Why no power seats with memory.

I agree on this one. I ordered a Rubi with basically every option you could get, read marketing materials like crazy while waiting to order and waiting for ours to be delivered, and somehow I never noticed it didn't have power seats. I just assumed it would and when we first got in at the dealer I was really surprised to see manual controls. It's not a big deal to me, especially since my wife and I use similar driving positions (despite me being much larger)... but still I was surprised. I wonder if an engineer would have an explanation.

Hold on I’m talking about the Sahara not the Rubi or Sport.

For what it's worth, the Rubi has every luxury feature that the Sahara has. I mean except the 'leather' dash (which is actually vinyl).. but IMO that's not an upgrade vs the Rubi, it's just different.

most of them will not have the interior hosed down after being in the mud. Power memory seats are available in the most basic cars so why.

If in fact Jeep couldn't find a way to make the power seats water proof, I think they probably made the right call by keeping the interior water proof across the line. It's one of their claims to fame for the Wrangler... they probably don't want to put an asterisk next to that that calls out the sahara as an exception just so they can add power seats to it and only it. Also as mentioned, Jeep doesn't position the sahara as any more luxurious as the rubicon. There's no luxury feature in one that's not in the other that I'm aware of unless you count vinyl on the dashboard instead of the red/silver painted trim.

Why only parking sensors for the rear. They put sensors in the rear bumper why not the front bumper. So does the statement that the bumpers get changed hold water. Well no both bumpers get changed on Wranglers. There are sensors in the rear bumper so why not sensors for the front too.

I still see rear backup sensors on a lot more vehicles than front sensors. The front sensors have always seemed kinda silly to me unless you're driving a vehicle that has terrible front visibility. Then again rear backup sensors also seem silly to me if you have a backup camera... but I guess if a person pops out behind you when you're not looking at the screen it could be nice.

Why no auto wiper sensors. Proximity entry and blind spot monitoring but not auto wipers? They are so everyday now. I have had them in my vehicles since the early 2000's.

I can give a pretty definitive answer on this one. Auto wipers require a special sensor to be mounted onto the front windshield. In most cars it's blended into the rear view mirror along with forward collision warning and lane departure warning cameras. Since the front windshield on the wrangler is removable, they can't use any of those windshield mounted sensors.

Also on most vehicles with auto wipers as an option, if you price windshield replacements, you'll see the windshield that's compatible with the auto wiper option often costs more than double what the regular windshield does. So even if they could add auto wipers, if the engineers considered how common windshield replacements are on wranglers, then they were doing all of our wallets a favor by leaving this feature off.

 

[SunriseJeep]

Not missing much , just the entire conceptualization of the vehicle and linage there of... why not just get a C class Mercedes ?

I would be all for a more luxurious Jeep. You can want a rugged vehicle, and one that you can drive and get a tan at the same time and still get all the bells and whistles. My husband just bought a Lincoln MKZ and I wish I was going to have some of the features that he has. But I will take my Jeep over his MKZ any day!

 

[FalKor JLU]

Yes and no. Let's do "no" first.

You're not missing anything because you're right: if you're going to add some high end items to the JL, power/memory seats falls smack in the middle of the more high end features *in the overall vehicle features segment of the market.*

Now "yes." What you may be missing, or not truly have your arms around yet--I say void of criticism--is the nature of how vehicles are designed. Think of it as a dance between marketers, engineers, accountants and actuaries.

At initial design meetings all feature ideas are memorialized. The marketers figure out what the market wants, or so they think, the actuaries prove it out with math, the accountants cost it out, and the engineers say the accountants estimates are way below budget to do the feature right, or that adding such features will push back the timeframe for production.

Accordingly, features are prioritized by what FCA stands to make in net present value by offering them. Some features don't make the cut, and are left to future model upgrades and/or the aftermarket.

Perhaps FCA actuaries proved the power seats to be less of a priority simply because, say, the Wrangler is less likely to have multiple drivers..just sayin'.

Why didn't they finish the Wrangler: because a rig is always a work in progress.​

well put sir!!

 

[JeepDrvr2018]

Driving my JL Sahara home today, which is fantastic by the way, I was wondering why Jeep didn’t finish it. The Sahara is positioned as the luxury model of the Wrangler lineup. Well It’s as close to what you get or should expect from a Wrnagler in terms of luxury.

But I’m wondering why didn’t Jeep finish it. The JL now has proximity entry. Parking sensors and camera, blind spot monitoring, a great infotainment centre, nav, CarPlay, acoustic front glass, heated seats and steering wheel, dual climate control, a power sliding top for those who don’t want to pull the top off, full led lighting, leather seats and dash, Uconnect remote start from an iPhone. All great and luxuriousish stuff.

So why miss a few extras that are less technical or basic adds for most other cars that have been available for years.

Why no power seats with memory. Hold on I’m talking about the Sahara not the Rubi or Sport. The Sahara has a leather dash and if you get the power top you can’t remove it. So almost all Sahara’s are mall crawlers and most of them will not have the interior hosed down after being in the mud. Power memory seats are available in the most basic cars so why.

Why only parking sensors for the rear. They put sensors in the rear bumper why not the front bumper. So does the statement that the bumpers get changed hold water. Well no both bumpers get changed on Wranglers. There are sensors in the rear bumper so why not sensors for the front too.

Why no auto wiper sensors. Proximity entry and blind spot monitoring but not auto wipers? They are so everyday now. I have had them in my vehicles since the early 2000's.

These are basic and not expensive so the price would not be drastically effected. Plus they could be options so therefore purchased only if wanted.

I do not understand why they went 97% and stopped short. In my opinion it wouldn’t change what the Wrangler is supposed to be. Not more than proximity, blind spot monitoring and remote star has anyway.

Am I missing something?

Yes, I believe the reason no electric seats is the wiring needs to run along the floor, that being said, just a large electrical short waiting to happen when someone gets is real wet inside. The auto sensing wipers are another issues, Acura removed them from many of their models, because people did not disable them prior to going into the auto car wash, and damaged them and A had to fix them. So I also understand that feature not being on the jeep. This is not a Lexus, Cadillac, or High end Acura, it's a Jeep Wrangler, and supposed to be built for serious to moderate back woods travel, with some highway thrown in for good measure. You want all that stuff, by something else. However, I am sort of on your side, because I can never get the seat adjustment "just right for me", and so having electric seats would fix this issue. I just live with it, because it's a jeep wrangler.

 

[HRDRCK]

I don't care about anything you just mentioned but I would have love to have cooling ventilated seats. If they can keep your ass warm in zero degree weather, then why not keep it cold in 100 degree weather. Other than that, the Sahara is beyond luxurious for a Wrangler.

Yes I was disappointed to see no cooled seats..I’m digging the heated steering wheel though, not doing leather seats again that’s for sure..

 

[Birdman]

I can now chime in here, always wanted a Jeep never owned one until my JLSU. I just had to take it back to the dealer for some minor delivery damage repairs to the rims and they gave me a JKSU never drove a JK before and I can say wow!! Night and day the improvements in the JL. Driving a JK feels so basic and stripped down compared to the JL and I’m so happy I waited for the JL. You can not compare this to a loaded SUV but that is a different vehicle a JLSU is definitely there luxury version for sure. As far as proximity sensor I didn’t even get that option because it was too basic just a light in the mirror and noise useless.

 

[klhjeep2018]

I have a grand Cherokee with ventilated seats, just my option but they add a little cooling but not a huge difference to me.

 

[klhjeep2018]

Also the seats are leather and preferated which are a pain to clean.

 

[Bswen]

We need to dispel the notion that the Sahara is somehow automatically a "Mall Crawler" and also that somehow a Sport is more capable when the only difference is in comfort items. My Sahara has the same transfer case as the sport, Dana 44 axles, Goodyear Wrangler A/Ts and a limited slip diff. so it is just as good off road as a sport with the same equipment. It is more capable than a sport that lacks such options that the LSD package provides.

The Sahara is just a middle trim level, and people often forget you can get a Rubicon with just as many plush luxuries as any Sahara.

What makes a Rubicon a Rubicon is the addition of the 4.10 Axles, locking differentials, Rock Track transfer case, etc to what the Sahara has.

What makes a Sahara a Sahara is the addition of the niceties to what the Sport has...

The Sahara also has upgraded brakes and suspension over the Sport. Same brakes as the Rubicon, but what they call the Heavy Duty Suspension versus the Rubicons Performance Suspension.

 

[Bswen]

tbh I haven't used the Jeep Navigation since I got it. Been using apple maps ever since and they've been working like a charm. I wish I had google maps tho. So don't feel too bad.

or Waze...

Although it is nice to have the Navigation when you are in the woods or anywhere without great cell reception...if you didnt download your maps to your phone beforehand like I did in Colorado one time... Somehow made it from Denver to Telluride via all backroads when the interstate was washed out, zero cell reception for 5 hours, didnt select the GPS from the rental car company... big mistake

 

[i64X]

For what it's worth, the Rubi has every luxury feature that the Sahara has. I mean except the 'leather' dash (which is actually vinyl).. but IMO that's not an upgrade vs the Rubi, it's just different.

This, this, this.

A loaded Sahara and a loaded Rubicon come with almost the same price tag, but you get a LOT more on the Rubicon that you don't get on the Sahara.

Rubicon has:

• Upgraded axles front and rear
• Sway bar disconnects
• Diff locks
• Taller suspension
• Better / more powerful transfer case

Sahara has:

• Vinyl dash

To wrap a Rubicon dash in vinyl would cost you a couple hundred bucks at a shop. How much would it cost to add upgraded diffs, electronic sway bar disconnects, and electronic front/rear diff locks to a Sahara?

You could get a second second of 18" wheels and all season street rubber for a Rubicon and exactly mimic the on-road experience of a Sahara for "daily use" for under $1000, but to add all of the Rubicon-exclusive features to a Sahara you'd be almost 2K in to wheels/tires (33"+ All Terrains are expensive), thousands in to axles, thousands in to electronic lockers that probably wouldn't work as seamlessly as the stock ones, hundreds into MANUAL sway bar disconnects, and $1500 into a RockTrac transfer case.

It's a lot easier, and cheaper, to turn a Rubicon into a Sahara than vice versa. Rubicon seems like the better deal to me, even if you aren't going to wheel it.

 

[Sean L]

This, this, this.

A loaded Sahara and a loaded Rubicon come with almost the same price tag, but you get a LOT more on the Rubicon that you don't get on the Sahara.

Rubicon has:

• Upgraded axles front and rear
• Sway bar disconnects
• Diff locks
• Taller suspension
• Better / more powerful transfer case

Sahara has:

• Vinyl dash

To wrap a Rubicon dash in vinyl would cost you a couple hundred bucks at a shop. How much would it cost to add upgraded diffs, electronic sway bar disconnects, and electronic front/rear diff locks to a Sahara?

You could get a second second of 18" wheels and all season street rubber for a Rubicon and exactly mimic the on-road experience of a Sahara for "daily use" for under $1000, but to add all of the Rubicon-exclusive features to a Sahara you'd be almost 2K in to wheels/tires (33"+ All Terrains are expensive), thousands in to axles, thousands in to electronic lockers that probably wouldn't work as seamlessly as the stock ones, hundreds into MANUAL sway bar disconnects, and $1500 into a RockTrac transfer case.

It's a lot easier, and cheaper, to turn a Rubicon into a Sahara than vice versa. Rubicon seems like the better deal to me, even if you aren't going to wheel it.

Sahara 4 door base MSRP: $37,845
Rubicon 4 door base MSRP: $40,995

The Rubicon is the more expensive model because of the 4.10 axles, sway bar disconnects, locking differentials and the "More powerful" transfer case (4:1 low gear instead of 2.73:1)

I would contend that turning a Rubicon into a Sahara as you suggest is a pointless endeavor, as why would anyone want to pay more for a Rubicon and then pay even more money to get all season tires for it? Getting a Rubicon is getting the best available offroad equipment for a Wrangler. If you want the more comfortable ride but still have good off-road capability or a daily driver then get a Sport or Sahara with the limited slip Differential option. The 3.45 axle ratio is much better for highway driving, the 4.10 axle is better for rock crawling.

 

[Bswen]

Sahara 4 door base MSRP: $37,845
Rubicon 4 door base MSRP: $40,995

The Rubicon is the more expensive model because of the 4.10 axles, sway bar disconnects, locking differentials and the "More powerful" transfer case (4:1 low gear instead of 2.73:1)

I would contend that turning a Rubicon into a Sahara as you suggest is a pointless endeavor, as why would anyone want to pay more for a Rubicon and then pay even more money to get all season tires for it? Getting a Rubicon is getting the best available offroad equipment for a Wrangler. If you want the more comfortable ride but still have good off-road capability or a daily driver then get a Sport or Sahara with the limited slip Differential option. The 3.45 axle ratio is much better for highway driving, the 4.10 axle is better for rock crawling.

Exactly, you'll never get the same ride in a Rubicon that you do in the Sahara. Suspension and gearing make sure of that.

 

[i64X]

So the Sahara is "luxury" why? Because of some pleather on the dash?

Loaded Rubicons and Saharas on the lots around me are all between $52-$55K. And "more powerful" is more than just gears. It's a completely different transfer case than the Sahara's, with its "auto 4WD" and smaller internals. I'd rather have something with stronger internals vs one that makes sacrifices for space for "grips when it slips" 4WD, like a Honda CRV.

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