Question for experts about full time transfer case availability

[Yawnie'sPapa]

On the Jeep Build & Price tool, you can add Nappa Leather seats to the non-X. It will automatically add the Convenience Group, but it works. If you switch transmissions, it makes you reselect it, but it's there for either. But that's irrelevant for you since the non-X has no full-time 4WD.

Yeah, and that's why I thought she'd trade a Rubicon for a Rubicon, get the power seats - but SURPRISE - no full time transfer case - unless you add the recon package.
That's the one and only way to get it.

Gotcha. It's starting to sound like your only real option is another 4xe.

Which can't be ordered. By the time those can be ordered again, reign color will be gone.

Jeep has really screwed us over this time.

Dealer said there's no way to order a 26 4xe at this time.

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[JamesWyatt]

Yeah, and that's why I thought she'd trade a Rubicon for a Rubicon, get the power seats - but SURPRISE - no full time transfer case - unless you add the recon package.
That's the one and only way to get it.



Which can't be ordered. By the time those can be ordered again, reign color will be gone.

Jeep has really screwed us over this time.

Dealer said there's no way to order a 26 4xe at this time.

Recall is in the way I'd imagine.

Would the Rubicon X be an option if you had the power drop-down steps installed?

 

[Yawnie'sPapa]

Recall is in the way I'd imagine.

Would the Rubicon X be an option if you had the power drop-down steps installed?

Sort of like these, perhaps?
Jerry here knows all about these. He helped get them on the current JLU 4xe Rubicon
I put then on my JT, and they are on my current JT (2025) as well.
They'll come off this JLU and go on any new one.
At 5'5" and handicap and knee issues, there's no way in heck she'd let us own a Wrangler or Gladiator without them. I love them - even for me (age, poor fitness, arthritis) they are the BEST options we've ever installed.

I'm trying to figure out how much of a ride and handling and MPG hit she'd take with that big heavy recon package which means STEEL HOOD as well (dumb, IMO - good grief, add weight to a brick when the stock light Rubicon hood is a thing of beauty!)

I can't find a window sticker for a loaded Rubicon X (which will have the heavy recon package) and the 3.6
Every window sticker I find is for the 2.0 engine - gee, should have ordered with that engine (that's MY mistake for sure - I did not specify the engine)

 

[Jebiruph]

If you end up with 35s and you want to compare to 33s, I have a set of 2020 JT Rubicon take offs you can test with.

 

[Yawnie'sPapa]

If you end up with 35s and you want to compare to 33s, I have a set of 2020 JT Rubicon take offs you can test with.

She's gonna be really unhappy not being able to use her custom tire cover! She's a Rudolph nut like no other in the world and she LOVES this tire cover -

And to say she likes purple (2 purple hats, purple shoes and socks, purple jacket)

Rudolph is even front and center on the dash

 

[RudeJeepin]

She's got a Rubicon 4xe now - a 2023
Sahara would work, but can't get the full time transfer case in that either.
Thought it would come with the Rubicon

I thought the SelecTrac was standard on the Sahara. Sure seemed like it in the past when I looked at them. Those and the 392 Wranglers.
I can't see buyers that truly buy the Rubicon package for the extras and not just the stickers wanting the SelecTrac with the clutches.
Personally, I'd prefer a standard transfer case. Was looking at one point to trade the wife's in and wanted the SelectTrac for her.

 

[Yawnie'sPapa]

I can't see buyers that truly buy the Rubicon package for the extras and not just the stickers wanting the SelecTrac with the clutches.

Which is ironic as that's exactly how they are sold and who they are sold to - recon package and all.

If you don't off-road them in 4HA, they'd likely be fine. Heck, we have automatic transmissions with clutch packs, and never think twice about it.
The problem, as I am thinking - is they try to run them in 4H AUTO and that's where the clutches go in and out of application.

If you need to run in 4H - don't use the automatic mode.

I thought the SelecTrac was standard on the Sahara. Sure seemed like it in the past when I looked at them. Those and the 392 Wranglers.

We have full engine power going through clutch packs in transmissions - these should last as long, depending on the owner/user and use.

Not that I can tell - if they are, I'd love to know !! We'd tell them to keep the Rubicon and move to the Sahara. I know you can get the leather power seats in Sahara.

IF that transfer case is available in Sahara, I'd love to know it. I'd stick on the 33s and put 4.10s in it and call it good.

 

[Yawnie'sPapa]

I thought the SelecTrac was standard on the Sahara. Sure seemed like it in the past when I looked at them. Those and the 392 Wranglers.
I can't see buyers that truly buy the Rubicon package for the extras and not just the stickers wanting the SelecTrac with the clutches.
Personally, I'd prefer a standard transfer case. Was looking at one point to trade the wife's in and wanted the SelectTrac for her.

Just checked - it's not only not available at all, look at the only way it's available in the Moab 392 JLU - no 2wd option.
It's ONLY available in the Rubicon X with the recon package. No other way.

 

[RudeJeepin]

Which is ironic as that's exactly how they are sold and who they are sold to - recon package and all.

If you don't off-road them in 4HA, they'd likely be fine. Heck, we have automatic transmissions with clutch packs, and never think twice about it.
The problem, as I am thinking - is they try to run them in 4H AUTO and that's where the clutches go in and out of application.

If you need to run in 4H - don't use the automatic mode.



We have full engine power going through clutch packs in transmissions - these should last as long, depending on the owner/user and use.

Not that I can tell - if they are, I'd love to know !! We'd tell them to keep the Rubicon and move to the Sahara. I know you can get the leather power seats in Sahara.

IF that transfer case is available in Sahara, I'd love to know it. I'd stick on the 33s and put 4.10s in it and call it good.

I get the auto trans has clutches, both or Jeeps are autos. My understanding is the clutches in the auto transfercases aren't the same really, they slip way more.
I'm guessing alot of the issues we are see online are misuse. Running the tc in auto when it should really be locked into 4H part time. Seems like more rigs with the 392 are having the issue also.

I was looking at late 24s and early 25s when finding the Sahara with the SelecTrac. Didn't want the standard 18" wheels and the 3.45 gears that seemed way to prevalent. Wife was supper sold on getting a new Wrangler, she likes hers. Only thing she's ever said she wished it had was built in Navigation. It has the 7" screen.
I was kinda wanting to get her out of the diesel, her work commute is 3 miles round trip.
I've since bailed on the idea of trading it off. Now I just try to make sure we drive it now to the see the grandkids. Both sets are about 90 minutes away.

 

[RudeJeepin]

Just checked - it's not only not available at all, look at the only way it's available in the Moab 392 JLU - no 2wd option.
It's ONLY available in the Rubicon X with the recon package. No other way.

Any way you can show that whole thing, so I can see what trims each column is representing?

 

[Yawnie'sPapa]

I get the auto trans has clutches, both or Jeeps are autos. My understanding is the clutches in the auto transfercases aren't the same really, they slip way more.
I'm guessing alot of the issues we are see online are misuse. Running the tc in auto when it should really be locked into 4H part time. Seems like more rigs with the 392 are having the issue also.

I was looking at late 24s and early 25s when finding the Sahara with the SelecTrac. Didn't want the standard 18" wheels and the 3.45 gears that seemed way to prevalent. Wife was supper sold on getting a new Wrangler, she likes hers. Only thing she's ever said she wished it had was built in Navigation. It has the 7" screen.
I was kinda wanting to get her out of the diesel, her work commute is 3 miles round trip.
I've since bailed on the idea of trading it off. Now I just try to make sure we drive it now to the see the grandkids. Both sets are about 90 minutes away.

They are "in and out" a lot in 4HA.
I'd bet they are clamped pretty strongly otherwise.

They sure held pretty well for me in this case -

When we got my wife's JLU in 23, it was the only Jeep at that time that matched her wants and needs - a Rubicon. It was overkill, but checked all of the boxes otherwise.
I also figyured there will never ever be human finger prints on that LOCKER switch, and the locker off switch. Ain't gonna happen. The recovery gear I stashed in the back a couple of years ago - will stay in the bags and never get used. That Jeep will never see 4Lo..
Nope, ain't gonna happen.
That is....until an Amazon delivery driver got his big honkin' Ford delivery van stuck in our driveway.

Our driveway is a hill, and it slopes a lot to the west - water starting at the top makes it about 10 feet down before it's into the yard, it's sloped a lot to prevent all of that water from reaching the house and garage.

I had it plowed after the last snow, and the 32 degree temps and sun took care of most of what the Mojave had packed at the edges of the drive, but that refroze today and - more snow. It was a slippery icy mess.
It was coming down pretty good. The Amazon driver came down the driveway (about 120-130 feet) instead of parking up on the road and walking down. (dummy) We have a turn-around area that works for short Jeeps, but there was snow and some ice on it. Not enough room for a big delivery truck to turn into.
Worse, his tires were crap.
He got stuck about the time my wife came home with her Jeep - she asked if I could help him out - yeah, but remember, I'm not supposed to lift, strain, that sort of thing. So - "use my Jeep and pull him out". (major surgeries, 3 times, and the last time hadn't even been a week ago yet)

So I grabbed the tow strap, shackle, and the piece for the receiver ("shackle receiver thing) and had him crawl under his big Ford delivery and hook the strap - that way it was on him, and I'm not to do that sort of thing anyway, not yet)
I figured - 4Lo, this will be pretty easy.
Uh, no. Got a few feet and the Jeep started sliding west to the yard. That damned big delivery van is HEAVY.
hey - we have lockers - I needed to turn left at the top to get him onto the road so thought use rear lockers only.
That worked for a few more feet, then the rear headed toward the yard badly. Seems rear only wasn't cutting it.
So I hit the switch for both lockers, and that little JLU 4xe Rubicon got the job done. Pulled that heavy delivery van up the hill on the snow and ice.
At one point, it stopped moving for a bit and I could hear the right front tire squealing on the concrete as it got through the ice and snow pack, then we started moving again.
I suppose I had pulled him at least part way up with one wheel?

I had to disengage the front locker at the top to start the turn, then shut them both off to finish the job and got him pulled onto a down-hill area and unhooked.

I have a feeling my JT Mojave wouldn't have done the job with rear-only locker. I had to engage both on my wife's JLU to get him up and out of our driveway.

 

[JamesWyatt]

Sort of like these, perhaps?
Jerry here knows all about these. He helped get them on the current JLU 4xe Rubicon
I put then on my JT, and they are on my current JT (2025) as well.
They'll come off this JLU and go on any new one.
At 5'5" and handicap and knee issues, there's no way in heck she'd let us own a Wrangler or Gladiator without them. I love them - even for me (age, poor fitness, arthritis) they are the BEST options we've ever installed.

I'm trying to figure out how much of a ride and handling and MPG hit she'd take with that big heavy recon package which means STEEL HOOD as well (dumb, IMO - good grief, add weight to a brick when the stock light Rubicon hood is a thing of beauty!)

I can't find a window sticker for a loaded Rubicon X (which will have the heavy recon package) and the 3.6
Every window sticker I find is for the 2.0 engine - gee, should have ordered with that engine (that's MY mistake for sure - I did not specify the engine)

Nice!

I'm not sure the X with 35s would be any heavier than your 4xe with that battery pack. Would the X not be lighter? With the 2.0T and 4:56 gears, mine is super responsive and gets decent mileage 15 city/21.5 hwy so far (only had it for 1,500 miles, but my in town has been a lot of idling and 4wd dirt roads, so 17-18 is likely possible in town). On the drive back to NM from CO where I bought it, I didn't take the usual interstate route so I could keep it at slower speeds during break in. Drove back on smaller highways keeping it at 60-65, and my mpg was in the mid 20s.

 

[2nd 392]

Nice!

I'm not sure the X with 35s would be any heavier than your 4xe with that battery pack. Would the X not be lighter? With the 2.0T and 4:56 gears, mine is super responsive and gets decent mileage 15 city/21.5 hwy so far (only had it for 1,500 miles, but my in town has been a lot of idling and 4wd dirt roads, so 17-18 is likely possible in town). On the drive back to NM from CO where I bought it, I didn't take the usual interstate route so I could keep it at slower speeds during break in. Drove back on smaller highways keeping it at 60-65, and my mpg was in the mid 20s.

An extra maybe max 100 lbs of wheels/tires, plus likely about the same in steel can be nowhere remotely close to the battery, components, cooling system, and electric motor weight.

 

[JamesWyatt]

An extra maybe max 100 lbs of wheels/tires, plus likely about the same in steel can be nowhere remotely close to the battery, components, cooling system, and electric motor weight.

That's what I was thinking. Also on the 4xes I've test driven, I could feel the higher up center of gravity, especially on turns.

 

[Yawnie'sPapa]

An extra maybe max 100 lbs of wheels/tires, plus likely about the same in steel can be nowhere remotely close to the battery, components, cooling system, and electric motor weight.

The 4xe gets about 25 mpg around here wit my wife driving. And that's if you don't plug it in.
About 16 worst case against a strong wind, otherwise, 20s is easy to reach.

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