Public charger "protocol"

[BXFXJeep]

Then you have the Tesla people gluing the Tesla adaptor to the J1772 plug, so no one else can use the chargers.

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[Kyanche]

The 'Protocol' used to be simple: Common Courtesy - sadly it has become a rare commodity.

Unfortunately in my observation, a lot of the people who don't have common courtesy, are people who were around during the times when common courtesy must have been a thing lol.

 

[ErAcEr]

It has to be about the people that know each other at work. As my brother who works at a power distribution plant has x number of EV spots. He tells me all the time someone needs to charge and he radios whomever is in the spot the longest to come move so a coworker can charge up. He says there is no fuss and its a good working system for at work protocol. But were also talking about Master degree engineers at that place.

 

[Terrymo]

An attitude of entitlement and self-importance isn‘t limited to any particular gender, race, color, religion, economic status, or educational background.

 

[Willys41]

Coming home one day from a trip out of town there was a fire and they had closed the road.
We sat for 3 hours in 100+ degree weather waiting for the roads to reopen.
Finley the roads opened and when I passed the first off ramp there where about over 20 EV mostly Tesla's waiting to recharge. And there where many more behind use that would have to stop also.
I told my my wife. They have been running there A/C for 3 hours and now they have to wait many more hours to recharge and this is why we don't have an EV.
We went to the next off ramp filled up the Jeep and 10 minutes later back on the road home.

 

[pamcbride]

I was at the mall the other day and saw the most disturbing thing, so I did my part to save electricity and help the environment by unplugging several electric vehicles that were just sitting there not being used.

 

[RustyACE]

I volunteer a three times a week at the Mayo Clinic. I transport visitors around the 400+ acre campus on a three-row golf cart. Mayo has sixteen charging stations: twelve employee ones requiring cardkey access to a parking garage and four public chargers where anyone can access them.

The employee chargers consistantly demonstrate responsible use: If you park there invariably you are charging your vehicle. The public ones are a weird free-for-all. And, on any given day they are all full. I'm a curious sort, so I've made a habit of monitoring the visitors habits. On average. there is always one ICE vehicle occupying a charger spot. I don't know if this is out of naivete or some sort of Luddite protest. But...even more interesting is the behavior of the EVs. More than half the time, there are two EVs simply parking, not charging, and taking up all but one of the remaining slots. I've even seen EVs, down to the last gasp of power, after making it to the charging station only to find them full, and then have to be towed away because two spots are EV "parkers".

Is this our future? To be fair, there is no sign that says "EV charging only", but wouldn't that be obvious? Once EVs become more common this will become a bigger issue. I know that there is no honor amongst thieves, but isn't there honor amongst the EV's brethren? And...why are the employees so well-behaved compared to the public? Is it because they know each other?

Has anyone else witnessed this type of thing?

It’s a design flaw instead of having permanently mounted chargers. The charger needs to be mounted on a ceiling rack and when it’s done charging your car, it needs to auto disconnect and move to the next spot having a fixed spot with a fixed charger always means that somebody’s car is gonna be sitting there but as soon as it’s done charging, you need a way of moving that car. But ultimately, the biggest problem with chargers and electric cars is that everybody expects everybody else to pay for the electricity and that they shouldn’t have to buy gas, which pays the taxes which pays for the roads that they’re using, but not paying for anymore, the whole system is going to self collapse and is completely unsustainable.

 

[GinaC]

This is my first EV, so I am completely clueless about it beyond what I have gleaned from internet research. All I know is that I plug my Jeep in when I get home in my garage and I can drive around town on electric mode just fine.

I just found out that Jay Peak, where I ski all winter, has a few universal, but mostly Tesla free charging stations. It is almost exactly a 20 mile drive there. How long would it take for me to get a full charge if I plug in when I get there? And would it be bad form for me to even use those chargers since our Canadian friends have farther to go to get to the mountain?

 

[Deleted Member RoadNomad]

This thread is funny, here's something to add to it.

I have an acquaintance that recently was complaining about a number of parking spots that were removed in a busy area downtown in Albuquerque where metered spots are being replaced with charge stations causing the lack of parking which is a problem to be even worse.

So, he took his Rubicon, added a 4xe emblem to the rear an added a charge receptical in the cowl on the drivers side and painted his tow hooks blue. Now he just parks in a charge station and plugs into the phony plug. Free and no more feeding the meter, problem solved, haha!

Free and no more feeding the meter, problem solved, haha! I guess he figures why should he be treated as a second hand citizen and electrics be given preference. Myself, I could never be that bold but I got to hand it to him, that's what you call thinking outside the box.

 

[BXFXJeep]

It’s a design flaw instead of having permanently mounted chargers. The charger needs to be mounted on a ceiling rack and when it’s done charging your car, it needs to auto disconnect and move to the next spot having a fixed spot with a fixed charger always means that somebody’s car is gonna be sitting there but as soon as it’s done charging, you need a way of moving that car. But ultimately, the biggest problem with chargers and electric cars is that everybody expects everybody else to pay for the electricity and that they shouldn’t have to buy gas, which pays the taxes which pays for the roads that they’re using, but not paying for anymore, the whole system is going to self collapse and is completely unsustainable.

People don't mind paying for the electricity, but hey if someone is giving it away for free why not.

I use the free chargers more than the paid government chargers for a few reasons.

1 it's free

2. The government charger now cost more than the equivalent of gas, it's 10c a kWh, but government charger flat rate after 6pm at $6, I only need 2 hours, but have to pay $6, a gallon of gas is $6.

3. Paid government chargers are usually all blocked by some angry gas car owner showing he is man by being an asshole

4. Paid government chargers are prone to asshole messing around with your vehicle

5. Paid government chargers are prone to vandalism

So I just use free charging in a private lot with security cameras and guards.

 

[azjl#3]

I volunteer a three times a week at the Mayo Clinic. I transport visitors around the 400+ acre campus on a three-row golf cart. Mayo has sixteen charging stations: twelve employee ones requiring cardkey access to a parking garage and four public chargers where anyone can access them.

The employee chargers consistantly demonstrate responsible use: If you park there invariably you are charging your vehicle. The public ones are a weird free-for-all. And, on any given day they are all full. I'm a curious sort, so I've made a habit of monitoring the visitors habits. On average. there is always one ICE vehicle occupying a charger spot. I don't know if this is out of naivete or some sort of Luddite protest. But...even more interesting is the behavior of the EVs. More than half the time, there are two EVs simply parking, not charging, and taking up all but one of the remaining slots. I've even seen EVs, down to the last gasp of power, after making it to the charging station only to find them full, and then have to be towed away because two spots are EV "parkers".

Is this our future? To be fair, there is no sign that says "EV charging only", but wouldn't that be obvious? Once EVs become more common this will become a bigger issue. I know that there is no honor amongst thieves, but isn't there honor amongst the EV's brethren? And...why are the employees so well-behaved compared to the public? Is it because they know each other?

Has anyone else witnessed this type of thing?

that is the future, everyone waiting for a charger, like the gas crunch in the 70's, or russia bread lines, all the same thing.

A Pizza hut near me just had 15 Tesla chargers installed. Every time it's full, with two to three Tesla's waiting to take a spot.

 

[BXFXJeep]

This thread is funny, here's something to add to it.

I have an acquaintance that recently was complaining about a number of parking spots that were removed in a busy area downtown in Albuquerque where metered spots are being replaced with charge stations causing the lack of parking which is a problem to be even worse.

So, he took his Rubicon, added a 4xe emblem to the rear an added a charge receptical in the cowl on the drivers side and painted his tow hooks blue. Now he just parks in a charge station and plugs into the phony plug. Free and no more feeding the meter, problem solved, haha!

Free and no more feeding the meter, problem solved, haha! I guess he figures why should he be treated as a second hand citizen and electrics be given preference. Myself, I could never be that bold but I got to hand it to him, that's what you call thinking outside the box.

Really, tell him to send you a picture, cause this sounds more like a fairy tale.

Also it doesn't take much to get those vehicles tagged for abusing the spot if this tale is actually true.

The charger would indicate it's not charging and the private lots tend to tag and ban repeat offenders.

 

[ads75]

that is the future, everyone waiting for a charger, like the gas crunch in the 70's, or russia bread lines, all the same thing.

A Pizza hut near me just had 15 Tesla chargers installed. Every time it's full, with two to three Tesla's waiting to take a spot.

I have had my Rivian for almost two years and 23k miles. I think I have waited for a charger 4 times in that time. Its annoying when it happens, but it isn't every day or every time I need to charge. And if you can't charge at home, you probably shouldn't buy an EV.

And don't forget about the gas shortages the south east US experienced in May 2021 due to the Colonial Pipeline hack.

 

[roaniecowpony]

I volunteer a three times a week at the Mayo Clinic. I transport visitors around the 400+ acre campus on a three-row golf cart. Mayo has sixteen charging stations: twelve employee ones requiring cardkey access to a parking garage and four public chargers where anyone can access them.

The employee chargers consistantly demonstrate responsible use: If you park there invariably you are charging your vehicle. The public ones are a weird free-for-all. And, on any given day they are all full. I'm a curious sort, so I've made a habit of monitoring the visitors habits. On average. there is always one ICE vehicle occupying a charger spot. I don't know if this is out of naivete or some sort of Luddite protest. But...even more interesting is the behavior of the EVs. More than half the time, there are two EVs simply parking, not charging, and taking up all but one of the remaining slots. I've even seen EVs, down to the last gasp of power, after making it to the charging station only to find them full, and then have to be towed away because two spots are EV "parkers".

Is this our future? To be fair, there is no sign that says "EV charging only", but wouldn't that be obvious? Once EVs become more common this will become a bigger issue. I know that there is no honor amongst thieves, but isn't there honor amongst the EV's brethren? And...why are the employees so well-behaved compared to the public? Is it because they know each other?

Has anyone else witnessed this type of thing?

No surprise. Enough people don't adhere to common etiquette, which is another reason I wouldn't have a EV is someone gave it to me. The whole charging thing is raw, not even half-baked.

EVs are great for people that have a known daily use that falls within the range of their particular EV and charging opportunities. I live in the capitol of Teslas. Southern California. And in an affluent area where there are thousands of them. There are at least 4 Teslas on my street that has 20 houses, plus other EVs.

 

[BXFXJeep]

The whole charging thing is raw, not even half-baked.

This is on purpose, the same people pushing EVs, do not think the masses should be driving private vehicles, they are also the same people that want to ban cheap electricity.

So it's almost as if it's a scheme to ween people off of vehicles.

Charging subsidies seem to be mostly about funneling tax dollars to some private people.

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