More great decision-making from Stellantis

[The Last Cowboy]

The goal of Stellantis selling PHEVS is to quit having to buy crazy expensive carbon credits. They will dump them on the market at a loss, as long as it balances in their favor for carbon credits. CARB states are making it easier for them.

California's govt is playing in the federal jurisdiction arena. I wonder when the feds will sue them back within their borders, or shut CARB down altogether. If the feds wont get the union back into check, soon we will have states following CA's lead, more and more becoming autonomous zones, influencing other states who have similar political views, building alliances, and opposing the other alliances. Sound familiar?

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[2nd 392]

The goal of Stellantis selling PHEVS is to quit having to buy crazy expensive carbon credits. They will dump them on the market at a loss, as long as it balances in their favor for carbon credits. CARB states are making it easier for them.

California's govt is playing in the federal jurisdiction arena. I wonder when the feds will sue them back within their borders, or shut CARB down altogether. If the feds wont get the union back into check, soon we will have states following CA's lead, more and more becoming autonomous zones, influencing other states who have similar political views, building alliances, and opposing the other alliances. Sound familiar?

Rescinding Ca’s permission to set it’s own CARB rules, therefore essentially the nation’s, and comply with federal standards was in progress until dropped in January of 2021. No further explanation allowed, or should be necessary.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

My gut feeling on this is, that this will change for the better, very soon!

Never count your chickens before they're hatched. Experience has taught me not to believe anything until it happens. Right now there are too many irons in the fire and too many plates spinning. Both side are declaring a pending landslide. We shall see.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Rescinding Ca’s permission to set it’s own CARB rules, therefore essentially the nation’s, and comply with federal standards was in progress until dropped in January of 2021. No further explanation allowed, or should be necessary.

Note the timing and I see what you mean.

 

[Kyanche]

California's govt is playing in the federal jurisdiction arena. I wonder when the feds will sue them back within their borders, or shut CARB down altogether. If the feds wont get the union back into check, soon we will have states following CA's lead, more and more becoming autonomous zones, influencing other states who have similar political views, building alliances, and opposing the other alliances. Sound familiar?

What ever happened to states' rights and supporting union labor?

Really though, I think the population of the various states should decide what they want.

 

[azjl#3]

Nice try- see the new 27-32 emissions standards, along with fleet mpg average raised to 38 mpg by 2032.

That is going to drive ICE vehicles to record pricing, particularly newish/used ones in great shape, aka used wranglers (ICE of course). No one anywhere near me would consider EV because of remoteness, and weather, and I live in Az. LOTS of diesels here. Unfortunately some think rolling coal is a must, when all it does is waist fuel.

I'm going to buy a second home with proceeds from the sale of my 24 3.6 with 70,000 miles in 2038.

 

[2nd 392]

What ever happened to states' rights and supporting union labor?

Really though, I think the population of the various states should decide what they want.

So one state setting the standards for the entire country is better ? How about the rights of the 32 non CARB states ? Are you not allowed to buy an EV in LA ? Or anywhere ? The mfg’s are not going to build both CARB and fed compliant vehicles that cannot be registered in 18 states, with rare exceptions like the 22 392 until the non CARB parts were used and went 50 state late 22. Why even fund the EPA when Ca alone sets the standards ?
Hey- I know, you like one state setting the rules, let Texas set the rules for the country.
No one state should have the power over the entire nation ! Hence- federal regulations.

 

[2nd 392]

That is going to drive ICE vehicles to record pricing, particularly newish/used ones in great shape, aka used wranglers (ICE of course). No one anywhere near me would consider EV because of remoteness, and weather, and I live in Az. LOTS of diesels here. Unfortunately some think rolling coal is a must, when all it does is waist fuel.

I'm going to buy a second home with proceeds from the sale of my 24 3.6 with 70,000 miles in 2038.

Uhh- the greens are unhappy, they wanted over 50 mpg by the end of 32 “it doesn’t go far enough”

 

[The Last Cowboy]

What ever happened to states' rights and supporting union labor?

Really though, I think the population of the various states should decide what they want.

I agree to a point, without some sort of Federal oversight, the the US is no more than a confederacy with 50 different states making contradictory laws that are difficult for a manufacturer in one state to market in another. What would happen is that the product would be built to the most restrictive specifications in order to appeal to the most markets. Or that manufactures would need to have assembly plants in many different parts of the country. Also, in the event that the US becomes involved in a conflict, each state would decide if they will participate and to what degree. We would wind up like the EU, with California or New York vying to take either the German or French roles, both rivals for control. While Texas and a few other states would take the British role and simply exit. A mess anyway you look at it and a win for our foreign rivals.

Imagine having to have papers and a passport to travel state to state and your vehicle being prohibited from crossing the border because it doesn't pass an expensive emissions test. Each break away area would pass spiteful laws to piss off other areas. It's one of the reasons the breakaway states needed a federal government built, as The Articles of Confederation weren't proving to be enough to strongly unite the newly United States.

We could speculate how crazy it would get, but given the rhetoric spewing in the media these days, it would get ugly quick. It would be interesting to see how quick states with little to no natural resources, agriculture or industry would seek foreign alliances contrary to their own good.

 

[2nd 392]

I agree to a point, without some sort of Federal oversight, the the US is no more than a confederacy with 50 different states making contradictory laws that are difficult for a manufacturer in one state to market in another. What would happen is that the product would be built to the most restrictive specifications in order to appeal to the most markets. Or that manufactures would need to have assembly plants in many different parts of the country. Also, in the event that the US becomes involved in a conflict, each state would decide if they will participate and to what degree. We would wind up like the EU, with California or New York vying to take either the German or French roles, both rivals for control. While Texas and a few other states would take the British role and simply exit. A mess anyway you look at it and a win for our foreign rivals.

Imagine having to have papers and a passport to travel state to state and your vehicle being prohibited from crossing the border because it doesn't pass an expensive emissions test. Each break away area would pass spiteful laws to piss off other areas. It's one of the reasons the breakaway states needed a federal government built, as The Articles of Confederation weren't proving to be enough to strongly unite the newly United States.

We could speculate how crazy it would get, but given the rhetoric spewing in the media these days, it would get ugly quick. It would be interesting to see how quick states with little to no natural resources, agriculture or industry would seek foreign alliances contrary to their own good.

Therefore the interstate commerce clause

Unless you bought a 22 federal compliant 392 and want to move or sell it to a CARB state.
Ca was given the ability to set it’s more stringent air quality rules in 1967.

 

[Centurion07]

Potatoes. Potatoes are the answer. You just stick one in your tail pipe, and voila! no more emissions. Why must we complicate everything?
Bonus: it stimulates the farming industry.

 

[Kyanche]

Potatoes. Potatoes are the answer. You just stick one in your tail pipe, and voila! no more emissions. Why must we complicate everything?
Bonus: it stimulates the farming industry.

Yes but that limits your freedoms to pollute all over your friends and neighbors and make them sick and give them asthma.

BRUH I need to do an emissions delete on an ECO diesel and then spew black smoke everywhere :D

Uhh- the greens are unhappy, they wanted over 50 mpg by the end of 32 “it doesn’t go far enough”

The funny thing is Toyota has been doing this time and time again for ages. And back in the 80s we had econo shitboxes that got like 40mpg (admittedly by epa's hopes and prayers standards back then).

But yeeaaah if you stuck a camry/prius/whatever drivetrain in a jeep wrangler it'd probably get like 18-20mpg. Maybe.

I'm going to go on a limb here and say just because something's legal on the road in Texas doesn't mean we should allow it on the road in California. That sets a really stupid precedent, but hear me out here: Those mud trucks that ride 4ft off the ground shouldn't be allowed on public roads except maybe during emergencies.

Then again, precedents are a pain. We'd have to set up a giant parking lot in primm for all the noncompliant people to park and rent a prius LOL

Please don't take anything I wrote in this post too seriously.

 

[Kyanche]

Perhaps more seriously thought? I am on the fence about CARB and regulating tailpipe emissions. I absolutely do not want a return to the 1970s sitting behind a car that emits stinky ass nasty pollutants.

On the other hand, a 3 cylinder 1.5 liter turbocharged engine producing 300hp that blows up after the 5 year warranty ends is total bullshit. I can't imagine crushing 5 year old cars is environmentally friendly. Same with the ridiculous tradeoffs for diesels right now.

 

[Notgeowild]

Whats next, a subscription to unlock your driveshaft?

It's coming sooner than you think!

 

[NWJeepr]

My gut feeling on this is, that this will change for the better, very soon!

Probably not. You may have missed when major automakers got together to form a private pact to continue following CARB rules as a matter of business practice no matter what happens to CARB in the near future. They did it for stability so they can plan and forecast their production and not be in a flip/flop crisis of changing regulations every time a new emperor comes into power. And it gets them praise by saying it's the right thing to do for the health and future of our own people.

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