Even the tail end of the JK runs were getting expensive
I got all the way to page 21, but I just couldn’t anymore. This award goes to everyone in this thread.
LOL you're not remotely qualified to judge my relation to what you term as "the future". What you are referring to when you use the term is not far off from what the gentlemen in the gif you posted would consider "the future".That super pretentious Jeff Bridges gif (Tron?) was a much more amusing post, so I'm gonna pretend you didn't change them out after you thought better of it. Because, let's be real, in the future and in the present, you are not Jeff Bridges or the Tron mastermind, you're this grumpy old guy
Pray tell, what do I consider the future?
For instance - the 2.0l. You consider a turbo 4 cylinder the future.
Is that your final answer?
I'm not familiar with the beef between you two, but I agree with this statement. The ICE has reached peak power and efficiency, its golden hour. Enjoy it while it lasts because the future will almost certainly not use ICE for passenger vehicles.
Haven't you heard we're all going to be unburdened by what has been.
I don't know if I would say that ICE has gone as far as it can go. Maybe...but I don't personally think so. That said, automakers have mostly turned away from developing ICE packages so I would agree that your claim is at least true in the effective sense. The point here though is that the 4cyl turbo is not the evolution of ICE power...it's not new, it's not special, it's not the best example...it's a stop-gap solution, a temporary bridge until we are able to make real progress into what IS the future of automobile power....and it's only where it is because of government mandates. As usual, it's a pretty poor solution to the problem that was mandated solved in this case.
It's not "my vaunted V6". I don't even like it. It's just the best overall option in the Jeep Wrangler JL. If FCA wasn't so ridiculous and actually made smart decisions like putting the 5.7l in the Wrangler, i'd absolutely have that...yeah the 392 is better in almost every way but the pricing for it is comedic and it's just not a smart choice for a daily driver.
Absolutely, ICE will be around for a long time to come. Long enough for all of us to realize that this turbo-4-everything idea was a really bad one and to switch back to simpler and slightly larger NA motors. None of that changes the fact that ICE is absolutely not the future.
Not solely ICE, but there's room yet to improve. Hell, Porsche just the other day came out with an idea for a 6 stroke ICE engine.
Yeah this is not true. It's a complete caricature of what I said, and what I ACTUALLY said is absolutely true. A couple of kid's disagreement with what constitutes a "refresh" does not change that fact. Hell you and your sidekick didn't even know what a torque converter did until I had to explain it to you.
