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AT4W have 35x11.5R17 and 315/70/17 in load range C with tough "DURASPEC" sidewalls.
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I know i sound like a broken record but i switch between two sets of tires/wheels all the time, one set weighs 88lbs and the other is 108lbs . There is no significant difference in how they feel in daily driving. Mpg is essentially the same as is handling and road feel. There are many great tires out there and the good thing is if you get a set you don’t like uou can sell them and get another set. Toyo has a 45 day 500 mile no questions asked return policy and i know others do as well.
 

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... As mentioned, the 10-ply sidewalls on Duratracs are weaker than many 5-ply sidewalls. ...
Well sure, if you buy a crap brand tire with an 'E' rating, it's still a crap tire. Comparing a crap 'E' tire to a superior 'C' tire and then claiming 'E' tires "are a complete waste on a JL " is not being honest.

Come back when you have something coherent to say.
 

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Well sure, if you buy a crap brand tire with an 'E' rating, it's still a crap tire. Comparing a crap 'E' tire to a superior 'C' tire and then claiming 'E' tires "are a complete waste on a JL " is not being honest.
E's are a waste on a JL. That's as coherent as it gets friend.

And what criteria are you using to determine what is a "crap" tire? Your opinion?

I know i sound like a broken record but i switch between two sets of tires/wheels all the time, one set weighs 88lbs and the other is 108lbs . There is no significant difference in how they feel in daily driving. Mpg is essentially the same as is handling and road feel. There are many great tires out there and the good thing is if you get a set you don’t like uou can sell them and get another set. Toyo has a 45 day 500 mile no questions asked return policy and i know others do as well.
Conversely, I gained 1.5mpg and a much better ride just going from E-range Duratracs to D-range Duratracs. Same size, same vehicle, 7lbs less per corner. Since learning that lesson i've done my best to find quality tires that are as light as possible and it has worked well - I upgraded both my JLU and Trail Boss to 35's from 33's and lost no perceptible MPGs. Better yet, since I didn't (can't on the TB) change the gearing on either one, the light tires helped greatly with power loss.
 

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E rated tires are a complete waste on a JL. Those are full-size HD truck tires, built to tow 10k+ loads. I know older Jeepers will chime in with the "sidewall strength" angle but sidewall strength is not tied to load range...just look at Duratracs for example - E-range Duratracs have weaker sidewalls than P-rated Ridge Grapplers.

So in closing I absolutely DO NOT recommend E-range tires. Stick with C, going to D only if absolutely necessary.

I'm currently using the GY Territory MT (not an M/T) in 315/70/17 and am very happy with it. I won't say it's the best, but its up there WITH the best and its cheap, light, and easy to find.
I agree completely with your analysis of E rated tires on a Wrangler. That combo makes no sense.

I was shocked to learn that Goodyear is calling an A/T tire "MT" for "multiple terrain". That's seems extremely questionable on their part.
 

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E rated tires are a complete waste on a JL. Those are full-size HD truck tires, built to tow 10k+ loads. I know older Jeepers will chime in with the "sidewall strength" angle but sidewall strength is not tied to load range...just look at Duratracs for example - E-range Duratracs have weaker sidewalls than P-rated Ridge Grapplers.

So in closing I absolutely DO NOT recommend E-range tires. Stick with C, going to D only if absolutely necessary.

I'm currently using the GY Territory MT (not an M/T) in 315/70/17 and am very happy with it. I won't say it's the best, but its up there WITH the best and its cheap, light, and easy to find.
I’ve only ever ran one set of E rated tires and those were the set that came on my brand new TJ Rubicon.
In over 25 years of wheeling they are also the only tires I have ever punctured a sidewall, in fact, I punctured two sidewalls within 20 minutes.
 

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I agree completely with your analysis of E rated tires on a Wrangler. That combo makes no sense.

I was shocked to learn that Goodyear is calling an A/T tire "MT" for "multiple terrain". That's seems extremely questionable on their part.
I mean its Goodyear. When was the last time they were relevant in the tire space that wasnt on nostalgia alone? Their sub brands Cooper and Bridgstone at least make good tires in certain segments.
 

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I agree completely with your analysis of E rated tires on a Wrangler. That combo makes no sense.

I was shocked to learn that Goodyear is calling an A/T tire "MT" for "multiple terrain". That's seems extremely questionable on their part.
I think you are being generous by calling it "extremely questionable". The Territory MT is an off-road AT. Putting "MT" in the name is something that someone who knows nothing about tires would do.
 

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I mean its Goodyear. When was the last time they were relevant in the tire space that wasnt on nostalgia alone? Their sub brands Cooper and Bridgstone at least make good tires in certain segments.
The last time? Really? Dude the Duratrac was one of the best tires in its segment for a LONG time. And the Territory MT is fantastic...despite having a really stupid name.

I’ve only ever ran one set of E rated tires and those were the set that came on my brand new TJ Rubicon.
In over 25 years of wheeling they are also the only tires I have ever punctured a sidewall, in fact, I punctured two sidewalls within 20 minutes.
Yeah i've never had a single issue with a C-range tire off-road. Granted, i'm not a rock crawler, but neither are 95% of Jeep owners.
 

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I think you are being generous by calling it "extremely questionable". The Territory MT is an off-road AT. Putting "MT" in the name is something that someone who knows nothing about tires would do.
Its hella shady and verges on false advertising. At least do the weird thing that Falken did with the Wildpeak and make up a new term RT.
 

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The last time? Really? Dude the Duratrac was one of the best tires in its segment for a LONG time. And the Territory MT is fantastic...despite having a really stupid name.
And both of them are outshone by numerous other tires including Cooper which is a sister company.
 

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Its hella shady and verges on false advertising. At least do the weird thing that Falken did with the Wildpeak and make up a new term RT.
The thing is that "false advertising" implies that using "MT" in the name is an advantage. It's not. Actual MTs don't sell nearly as well as ATs or RTs...so it's a huge disadvantage. Every time I mention that i'm using the Territory MT someone inevitably chimes in "yeah but I don't want an MT...too loud".
 

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And both of them are outshone by numerous other tires including Cooper which is a sister company.
I don't agree. The problem is this is all a matter of opinion. My top tire brands are Goodyear, Toyo, and Continental. I would take a Duratrac RT or Territory MT over anything Cooper branded. The problem is that what matters most to each of us is different. Weight matters A LOT to me - which rules out Mickeys and Wildpeaks...and a lot of others that I don't even care to try. Ridge Grapplers are not a smart choice for the weather in my region. KO2/KO3 are acceptable to me, just unremarkable and priced WAY too high for their performance - and that's the case for a lot of other options. But this is all just my experience. Everyone else will have different experience.
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