But some of the lower range tires that are built for crawling, like the BFG Krawler that @Industrialwrench mentioned are built stronger using less ply. Also by having less ply, they are able to conform to the surface better and get more traction. There's always a flip side to the coin.
Post a pic of the sidewalls that say 8 ply tread and 6 ply sidewalls. I have never seen a Duratrac that has that many true layers, most I've seen is 3 ply sidewall. The only tires that have that many layers are bias ply tires. There isn't a radial tire out there that I know of that has more than 3 plies in the sidewall.
You've obviously never raced off road. I blew four C rated tires going 50 MPH on a rocky road (over 18 months). Tire guy told me to switch to E, went faster for several years, never blew a tire. I've given up KoH, but I want better sidewall protection. My Jeep club has gone through 6+ Pat's in the last year, that's the wrong direction. I want 50% more sidewall plys.
It's not rubber, for the tread it's steel. For the sidewall it's 3 vs 2 plys to cut through. I'm getting 33x12.5R17 E KO2's for my TJR. Those tires/wheels will go on my JLR for safety and dealer visits.
Yeah, I thought we were talking about the side wall. Not the tread or the shoulder. Bummer your guys are ripping through the pats. If youâre desert racing then obviously you will be exerting higher forces on the sidewall because youâre not moving slowly and a stronger sidewall to handle the load makes sense. More inertia, more load. OHSA says my 195lbs generates over 5000lbs of force from just a 4â fall. My 2door Jeep slowly rambling through the rocks shouldnât need the extra load capacity. If your turning your wheel into a sharp rock and trying to use your sidewalk as a lever to climb it, thereâs no amount of ply that will save you.You've obviously never raced off road. I blew four C rated tires going 50 MPH on a rocky road (over 18 months). Tire guy told me to switch to E, went faster for several years, never blew a tire. I've given up KoH, but I want better sidewall protection. My Jeep club has gone through 6+ Pat's in the last year, that's the wrong direction. I want 50% more sidewall plys.
It's not rubber, for the tread it's steel. For the sidewall it's 3 vs 2 plys to cut through. I'm getting 33x12.5R17 E KO2's for my TJR. Those tires/wheels will go on my JLR for safety and dealer visits.
From TR
All-Terrain T/A KO2 tires feature a racing derived cut-, chip- and tear-resistant tread compound that delivers longer life (up to 2 times the previous generation tire's treadwear on gravel roads). The compound is molded into an aggressive, computer optimized, high-void all-terrain pattern with interlocking tread blocks, innovative siping and multiple loose object ejection features to combine off-road durability and traction with on-road handling and acceptable noise.
Upper shoulder Sidewall Armor features a tougher sidewall rubber compound that's twice as thick as its predecessor and a Serrated Shoulder Design that delivers additional traction by providing the clawing action necessary to develop traction and steering control in deep dirt, sand or on rock during "aired down" off-road driving.
The tire's internal structure includes twin steel belts reinforced with spirally wrapped nylon on top of BFGoodrich's TriGard, 3-ply polyester cord sidewall ply construction (2 plies for Load Range C tires) for strength and durability.
Single strand beads (a single strand of bead wire is continuously wrapped multiple times until the desired strength is provided) enhance the tire's fit to the wheel to improve uniformity and ride quality.
YOU are correct and I stand corrected.
If your turning your wheel into a sharp rock and trying to use your sidewalk as a lever to climb it, thereâs no amount of ply that will save you.
A rock that cuts through a C will probably cut right through an E too.
I sure do, because you know reality. Goes right back to my first post, I know itâs hard for you to understand. So one more time. If you encounter a rock that is razor sharp and you turn your sidewalk into it, your sidewall is gone. 1ply-20ply. Rubber cuts very easily when stressing it. Think about nicking a rubber brand thatâs been stretched. Sure thereâs a chance that a slightly thicker sidewalk will be thicker than the cutting edge depth. But thatâs incredibly doubtful due to the simple fact a high ply isnât that much thicker. Things like nylon cord or Kevlar will increase the strength, adding chip resistants(mixing clay into the compound). But letâs remember the load rating isnât a direct correlation to sidewall âtoughnessâ as much as its âstrengthâ under load. But whatever. Enjoy driving your vehicle the way you think is best.
If you encounter a rock that is razor sharp and you turn your sidewalk into it, your sidewall is gone. 1ply-20ply. Rubber cuts very easily when stressing it.
You just proved my point dude. You donât need Es unless youâre racing. Because youâre right, itâs doubtful youâre going to find that insanely sharp rock. But If you donât believe they exist, then itâs your experience thatâs lacking. I wheel my Jeep enough to know what works for me. You keep puffing out your chest elsewhere. Have fun in your bumpy ride.
You just proved my point dude.
