JL corrosion

[HeatBird]

Interesting first post for me here.
I had a 2015 JKU WW.
This was happening to the JKs too. Sometime around 2015 they added a gasket in between the two layers to help mitigate this process. I remember getting mine, wondering if it came through with these all important gaskets. You could barely see the thing, but it was there.
I’m a little confused to see this here on the JLs since it seems they made moves to fix it on the JKs.

Interesting first post for me here.
I had a 2015 JKU WW.
This was happening to the JKs too. Sometime around 2015 they added a gasket in between the two layers to help mitigate this process. I remember getting mine, wondering if it came through with these all important gaskets. You could barely see the thing, but it was there.
I’m a little confused to see this here on the JLs since it seems they made moves to fix it on the JKs.

Really interesting. Hopefully gasket was just teflon tape.

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[Jay 13]

Interesting first post for me here.
I had a 2015 JKU WW.
This was happening to the JKs too. Sometime around 2015 they added a gasket in between the two layers to help mitigate this process. I remember getting mine, wondering if it came through with these all important gaskets. You could barely see the thing, but it was there.
I’m a little confused to see this here on the JLs since it seems they made moves to fix it on the JKs.

Yup....and some intelligent person somehow decided that was no longer necessary on the JL’s, because there is no gasket now ?

 

[COBill]

You'd think by now Jeep would know how to properly prep door hinges.

If they don't actually corrode through until after warranty, why would they bother?

Seriously.

 

[COBill]

Reading through this post and other like it elsewhere I am completely baffled as to how this can be a thing today. How is there not a recall for this? How is FCA selling vehicles that average 40-50K in the numbers they sell them not getting bombarded with complaints to they point they HAVE to do something?

This is really disturbing to me as a new Wrangler owner. Like to the point where I"m really second guessing my decision to buy one.

Recalls are only done for safety issues.

Jeep knows the only other vehicle they compete with is the Bronco, and those aren't available yet; it's not like you're going to run off and buy a Hyundai Santa Fe instead.

What amazes me is how they know it’s an issue and don’t even try and address it on the line. What’s the point of a tsb if you continue to push them out knowing very well your going to spend the money to fix them anyway.

Literally because TSBs are issued to explain how to fix issues people complain about Under warranty, but the work will not be done unless a customer under warranty does complain, not proactively.

Someone at Jeep calculated it would cost $X/per Jeep to prep them properly.

It costs them $Y to fix the small percentage of Jeeps people actually bring in under warranty.

Then after analysis they found:

($Y * number of Jeeps brought in still in warranty) < ($X * number of Jeep's produced)

It sounds like I am paraphrasing Fight Club, but that's how such decisions actually get made.

 

[DavidArmen]

Literally because TSBs are issued to explain how to fix issues people complain about Under warranty, but the work will not be done unless a customer under warranty does complain, not proactively.

Someone at Jeep calculated it would cost $X/per Jeep to prep them properly.

It costs them $Y to fix the small percentage of Jeeps people actually bring in under warranty.

Then after analysis they found:

($Y * number of Jeeps brought in still in warranty) < ($X * number of Jeep's produced)

It sounds like I am paraphrasing Fight Club, but that's how such decisions actually get made.

Very true. It’s all a numbers game.
If they calculate that repairing the x number of Jeeps that complain will cost them less in the long run than adding a production step to every single jeep on the line, they will not add that step to their production. Only the customer loses.

 

[Jay 13]

Too soft for what? Rubber would be perfect as it is obviously very pliable. The pic is of my 84' Carrera. See where the side mirror is attached to the door? There is a rubber gasket there. Worked perfectly well. It was for keeping water out but the mirror housing was aluminum so without it there could have been galvanic corrosion also.
With all that being said if this starts with my Willys I'm taking it back to the dealer the second I see a single friggin bubble. They'll take the hinges off and paint behind them like they should have in Toledo's paint shop.

I hear ya. My only issue is that some have had dealers fix it and it’s rather come back horribly painted (therefore creating a whole other mess) or the paint work was satisfactory, but unfortunately the bubbling/corrosion came back!

I started a thread “Bubble club” to try and get some feed on peoples experiences to see who’s got it..who’s had The dealers “fix” it and how there experiences turned out.
The poll got some voters. But unfortunately not many chiming in.

I’m beginning to think it’s more about the bolts when it comes to the hinges than anything. Could be wrong but with some repairs having recurrence, something in the repair process isn’t always effective.

 

[COBill]

Something's seriously wrong when after 33 years, FCA is running the clock backwards selling $60,000 units and 1940s type rust issues emerge.

How would "doing something about it" benefit FCA financially?

It would cost them more than the cost of not, and if it gets bad enough you would have to buy a new vehicle: win-win.

 

[neil]

1. You’re trying to isolate the dissimilar metals.
2. You put film between the hinge and the door.
3. Now what about those pesky metal torx bolts?

Nice plan until #3

Pesky bolts

yup

 

[Jay 13]

How would "doing something about it" benefit FCA financially?

It would cost them more than the cost of not, and if it gets bad enough you would have to buy a new vehicle: win-win.

I’ve said this before in a previous post...but I’ll say it again....this is my first Jeep, hopefully not my last! If this Jeep corrodes out in less than 2 years and then there is no fix?
I sadly wouldn’t purchase another.
Hence I’d hope enough ppl speak out on this BS so that they can actually do SOMETHING to deal with a well known issue.
Corrosion/rust isn’t a discussion we should be having on this forum this early on.
It’s a real shame. Lovr my Jeep, my fav vehicle by far and I’m just beginning to dive into all the mods and stuff. Be a real shame to have to deal with this crap

 

[Jay 13]

Recalls are only done for safety issues.

Jeep knows the only other vehicle they compete with is the Bronco, and those aren't available yet; it's not like you're going to run off and buy a Hyundai Santa Fe instead.



Literally because TSBs are issued to explain how to fix issues people complain about Under warranty, but the work will not be done unless a customer under warranty does complain, not proactively.

Someone at Jeep calculated it would cost $X/per Jeep to prep them properly.

It costs them $Y to fix the small percentage of Jeeps people actually bring in under warranty.

Then after analysis they found:

($Y * number of Jeeps brought in still in warranty) < ($X * number of Jeep's produced)

It sounds like I am paraphrasing Fight Club, but that's how such decisions actually get made.

I get your point. But personally speaking, we’re not talking about jeeps costing 25k were up to the 60k mark that this is happening. Pretty sure they can “afford” to make the small adjustment to combat this during production. They started to with the jk’s than stopped?

we’ll see how the hemi jeep owners feel when after year 1-2 of their 75k+ Jeep is corroding!

 

[COBill]

Pretty sure they can “afford” to make the small adjustment to combat this during production. They started to with the jk’s than stopped?

They could "afford" to but why would they forego penny one in profit to do so?

There is literally no financial advantage for them in doing so.

They are not there to be nice, or eat costs, they are there to maximize profits.

That has been the way Chrysler has operated for decades now.

A higher price means higher profits, not enhanced build quality, or at least certainly not on Wranglers.

 

[HeatBird]

I hear ya. My only issue is that some have had dealers fix it and it’s rather come back horribly painted (therefore creating a whole other mess) or the paint work was satisfactory, but unfortunately the bubbling/corrosion came back!

I started a thread “Bubble club” to try and get some feed on peoples experiences to see who’s got it..who’s had The dealers “fix” it and how there experiences turned out.
The poll got some voters. But unfortunately not many chiming in.

I’m beginning to think it’s more about the bolts when it comes to the hinges than anything. Could be wrong but with some repairs having recurrence, something in the repair process isn’t always effective.

I read your Bubble thread. I will say that when I pick up my Willys I'm asking the dealer what experience, (and what lame response I get), they have with this issue.

 

[neil]

I read your Bubble thread. I will say that when I pick up my Willys I'm asking the dealer what experience, (and what lame response I get), they have with this issue.

in sales?

 

[HeatBird]

in sales?

Not sure what you're asking?

 

[neil]

Not sure what you're asking?

sales at pickup will have no clue on any problem

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