Jeep is Gone

[DuRsT]

To boot you can run 35's on a JL Rubi without changing a thing.

It was NOT like that in the past, so maybe as many modifications simply aren't necessary anymore. If the JL is anything like my JK Rubi it would be very impressive basically stock with a set of 35's on it for ground clearance and likely would perform beyond most people's ability to wheel.

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[rallydefault]

The point many seem to miss is that a growing majority of people are buying Wrangler just for looks.

If you ask around, buyers are growing bored of the generic jellybean shape of modern CUVs. Just look around these forums: a growing number of JL owners are leasing their Wrangler, and openly admit they never plan to take it off-road.

Bronco Sport gives buyers something CR-V, Escape, Tucson, Sportage or Cherokee/Compass have been missing: manly looks. This combination of rugged looks, unexpected performance, a friendly daily package at an affordable price is going to produce surprising sales figures.

Oh, for sure. Wrangler, in my opinion, is now primarily a fashion vehicle. I wouldn't hesitate a moment to wager that the majority of JLs will never see actual offroading that other vehicles can't do (dirt roads to a wedding at some barn doesn't count - that Corolla parked next to you got there just fine lol).

That's not what it was like "back in the day," but that really goes for any vehicle. Just like lots of people who buys trucks today never use the bed, people who buy sports cars never get it on the track, etc. Times used to be that you bought a vehicle according to your needs with only a select group of wealthy consumers and collectors buying stuff they didn't need.

The world's different now and buying habits are way different. That's fine. And I agree that the Bronco Sport is gonna sell really well. I'll admit that I've been interested by it, but I just can't own a non-convertible vehicle lol

 

[HardSell]

I'm not interested in getting in an IFS vs solid axle pissing match.

Can't blame you; I'd avoid any pissing match, pissing uphill and into the wind.

From: https://www.theengineblock.com/off-...ependent-suspension-vs-solid-axle-suspension/
"However, at this point in time at least, the amount of time and money that goes into making an independent suspension handle the challenges and travel as well as a solid axle set up makes the upgrade something of a pipe dream for many. So, when it comes down to it, an independent suspension will handle better than a solid axle, making it an ideal setup for higher speeds and smaller obstacles. But a solid axle’s traction on those big bumps and hills makes it the king of crawling."

 

[Outrider1]

Kent for the win.

There is a great dealer in nampa Idaho that will do 8% and ship to you in Michigan

I'm in Wisconsin and looked into buying from them and if I would the lemon law would not apply.
right there was all the reason I needed not to.

 

[guarnibl]

I'm in Wisconsin and looked into buying from them and if I would the lemon law would not apply.
right there was all the reason I needed not to.

If the first place the vehicle was titled is your home state and you paid sales tax in your state — does lemon law still not apply? I thought it did since the sale was recognized in your home state and not Idaho.

 

[Hound Dog]

NO problem? Um...dunno where you get this idea. I would agree if you said "no MAJOR problem"...but you are not going to find a new vehicle from ANY manufacturer that is going to go 100k miles with NO problem of any kind.

As it is now 2020, things like engines, transmissions, drivelines, and suspensions should have no MECHANICAL issues for nearly 100k miles...definitely. And that is the case for the overwhelming majority of vehicles built today, Wrangler included. HOWEVER, you have no reasonable justification to expect no electrical or "gadget" failure at any time. There are just too many of those things built into a modern vehicle to not have any issues. You will find the same situation with Toyota, Honda, GM, Ford...or anyone else.

You have a legit complaint about the steering. Especially since the steering system on the Wrangler is a design that's been around since the invention of dirt...there is absolutely no excuse for it not to be perfect. But the rest, well that's normal life for a modern automobile, and why extended warranties are near necessities now.

I wouldn't say you won't find a vehicle that won't go 100k without a hitch. I have a 2 wheel drive 4 banger Nissan Frontier I bought new in 2012. Oil, filters, brakes, tires, serpentine belt and a set of plugs is all I ever did up until about 120k. Around then I had the bearing in the idler pulley go bad and start squealing. I pressed in a new bearing that cost about $10. Aside from a deer strike that has left a few dents it still runs like a champ. No rust at all. Looks fine underneath, unlike my TJ that even has the oil pan rusting out. Somewhere around 165k on it now. My last one retired at 230k because I was tired of a stick.

 

[TheRaven]

I wouldn't say you won't find a vehicle that won't go 100k without a hitch. I have a 2 wheel drive 4 banger Nissan Frontier I bought new in 2012. Oil, filters, brakes, tires, serpentine belt and a set of plugs is all I ever did up until about 120k. Around then I had the bearing in the idler pulley go bad and start squealing. I pressed in a new bearing that cost about $10. Aside from a deer strike that has left a few dents it still runs like a champ. No rust at all. Looks fine underneath, unlike my TJ that even has the oil pan rusting out. Somewhere around 165k on it now. My last one retired at 230k because I was tired of a stick.

Similar to my Tahoe...but, like my Tahoe, which is a 2010 that was designed in 2006, that Frontier of yours was a 2012 designed in the 90's. No infotainment, no driver warning systems, no electrically assisted anything...etc. So not really a comparison to a current new vehicle.

 

[Outrider1]

If the first place the vehicle was titled is your home state and you paid sales tax in your state — does lemon law still not apply? I thought it did since the sale was recognized in your home state and not Idaho.

I can only tell you how Wisconsin handles a out of state new purchase. You should check your state laws as they may vary.

 

[guarnibl]

I can only tell you how Wisconsin handles a out of state new purchase. You should check your state laws as they may vary.

Ah, yep. Seems that we don't have a similar restriction here.

 

[roaniecowpony]

Every car manufacturer has people who have problems with their vehicles.

Better luck with your next one but no guarantee it will be any better.

It's basically a crapshoot.

Having a vehicle have serious problems are akin to be hit by lightning. Just as you can reduce the odds of being struck by avoiding standing on a mountain top in a thunderstorm, you can select makers with proven higher quality statistics.

 

[TheRaven]

Having a vehicle have serious problems are akin to be hit by lightning. Just as you can reduce the odds of being struck by avoiding standing on a mountain top in a thunderstorm, you can select makers with proven higher quality statistics.

No. Vehicles maybe, but not makers. There is no longer a reliable metric with which to judge automakers level of quality. It used to be JD's initial quality index but even on in that study the spread between automakers is so tight it's nearly inconsequential these days. The only place where you can find a reliable difference is between individual vehicles - case in point...look at Dodge. They have topped the initial quality index this year despite being made by the same automaker that makes the Wrangler, which is clearly nowhere near the top. This is due to the Charger and Challenger being very solid vehicles. If the Wrangler were a Dodge, they'd be nowhere near the top, despite still having the Charger and Challenger. FCA has Dodge at the top, Jeep in the middle, and Chrysler and Fiat in the bottom half - so where do you put FCA?

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