IIHS and the JL?

[Dvol]

Guess it’s so dangerous that it scores as one of the lowest vehicles to insure...many articles about it here is a link to just one of many...

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/insurance/cars-cheapest-auto-insurance-rates/

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[GGolds]

Why no IIHS testing for the JL? We are in the second model year of JL and still no U.S. crash tests.

NHTSA Just crash tested a JLU 2019. It got 4 (****) stars!. However, Im not sure what the real difference is between the NHTSA test and the IHS testing. Which is more important or are either more important to the general public and media. NHTSA is into a brick wall at 35MPH. Im sure if you crashed into a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic, or Nissan Sentra ETC> the Jeep passengers would come out far safer with fewer serious injuries. You never know when you're going to hit a brick wall, right!!.

 

[Kyanche]

Im sure if you crashed into a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic, or Nissan Sentra ETC> the Jeep passengers would come out far safer with fewer serious injuries.

I live in California, capitol of Toyotas and Hondas, and I'm going to say this: You're more likely to crash into a CR-V, Rav4, Ford F150, Chevy Tahoe, Toyota 4runner, Chevy Silverado, Ram 1500, Dodge Durango, or anything along those lines. Half of those vehicles are bigger and heavier than a Wrangler and did better in the safety tests.

And that's California. I can imagine in states where people like big heavy vehicles it's even worse.

The 2 times my car has taken significant damage it was because of someone driving a large pickup truck who claimed "I didn't see ya".

Edit #3: Before you make any assumptions, keep in mind that I really like Jeeps.

 

[GGolds]

I live in California, capitol of Toyotas and Hondas, and I'm going to say this: You're more likely to crash into a CR-V, Rav4, Ford F150, Chevy Tahoe, Toyota 4runner, Chevy Silverado, Ram 1500, Dodge Durango, or anything along those lines. Half of those vehicles are bigger and heavier than a Wrangler and did better in the safety tests.

And that's California. I can imagine in states where people like big heavy vehicles it's even worse.

The 2 times my car has taken significant damage it was because of someone driving a large pickup truck who claimed "I didn't see ya".

NHTSA crash tested a 2019 JLU in June. It got 4 (****) stars. Not sure what IHS vs. NHTSA difference really is?.

 

[Thill444]

NHTSA crash tested a 2019 JLU in June. It got 4 (****) stars. Not sure what IHS vs. NHTSA difference really is?.

Do you have a link to this. I am on the NHTSA website and cannot find any JL crash test data.

 

[Kyanche]

NHTSA crash tested a 2019 JLU in June. It got 4 (****) stars. Not sure what IHS vs. NHTSA difference really is?.

IIHS is funded by insurance companies who (naturally) have a vested interest in motivating people to buy cars that have less expensive claims. It is interesting though that while Jeeps don't do well in crash tests, they have low insurance rates because they don't get very many claims.

 

[Thill444]

IIHS is funded by insurance companies who (naturally) have a vested interest in motivating people to buy cars that have less expensive claims. It is interesting though that while Jeeps don't do well in crash tests, they have low insurance rates because they don't get very many claims.

I have owned vehicles that received almost perfect IIHS test scores but insurance was insanely high because of high theft rate.

 

[GGolds]

Do you have a link to this. I am on the NHTSA website and cannot find any JL crash test data.

I'm looking now and I'll send it to you.

 

[GGolds]

Do you have a link to this. I am on the NHTSA website and cannot find any JL crash test data.

Go on YouTube. 2019-2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited NHTSA frontal impact. This was published on June 5 2019. Let me know that you found it. Shows impact ratings on dummies etc.

 

[Kyanche]

One thing I'm left pondering now is if the JL is safer than the JK. The primary thing is the rollcage seems SUBSTANTIALLY stronger. I mean, there were pictures from that train derailment of an upside down Jeep that looked perfectly intact. I've never seen a JK or any other older jeep survive laying on its roof like that before.

Beyond that though, what about the rest of the body and frame? And this whole mess with the steering.

 

[BXFXJeep]

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/my-poor-jlur-totaled-my-baby.36453/

 

[Kyanche]

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/my-poor-jlur-totaled-my-baby.36453/

That went surprisingly well for both parties, if you ask me! 50mph small-ish frontal offset. That's pretty much the IIHS test that destroys a lot of cars.

Keep in mind, we're talking about this Chevy Cobalt, I think:
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/chevrolet/cobalt-4-door-sedan/2010

Small frontal offset testing wasn't even a thing when they made the Cobalt. (The JK wrangler was tested on it and did surprisingly well. It basically bounced off the barrier lol)

 

[Rahneld]

I love my JLU and for me to flame the IIHS or NHTSA might be, I admit, full of conformational bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias#Confirmation_bias . Still more, if these organization did nothing more (and I'm sure they do more) than get vehicle manufacturers to pay attention to safety they've earned their keep.

That said, I'd like an independent rating agency that's tasked with monitoring.....

…..the independent rating agencies. A sort of watch dog for the IIHS and NHTSA.

I don't say this out of some paranoia that these two crash testing agencies are biased, but rather because I question how effective their testing and rating methodology is on correlating with injury and death. And again, I'm sure both agencies always work to improve their tests, all while they can't test for everything, like individual driver abilities, or "bad luck."

I never wish it, but in a head on collision between a JLU and a Volvo, I'm not sure, despite how well Volvo has engineered safety (and they have) their occupants fair. There is no denying that weight matters when two pieces of steel collide.

 

[Rahneld]

In younger times I volunteered on my community's ambulance corps. There was a saying:

"God spares drunks and babies."

And the reason that anecdotal testing of this saying proved true is the fact that these two groups of vehicle occupants both didn't tense up before a crash impact.

Perhaps crash test dummy readings would be worse if such tensing behavior could be mimicked in the dummies--but the point is that here again, dummies aren't humans. They won't move out of the way in anticipation of a crash, either via steering wheel or body maneuvers.

This is not to "throw out the baby with the bath water" and believe crash test data useless, just limited, if not also the best we have.

I'd like someone in the industry to write a book entitled, "What Crash Tests Don't Show," just like a book of a few decades ago: "What They Don't Teach at the Harvard Business School."

 

[BXFXJeep]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/drivers-sick-new-cars-technology

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