EPA Rules Rebuke... ESS dead?

[Victory]

In general I am not a fan of rolling back environmental regulations but would love to at least see the ESS button be able to remember your last setting without needing to use the tazer etc.

Thought this article was pretty appropriate to this thread:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-epa-start-stop-feature-cars-impact/

(guess I’m pretty hypocritical though with the environmental regulations - my DD F250 gets 10mpg)

My JL is dead in the garage now because the main battery won’t hold a charge more than a few days because the ESS battery must be bad. I haven’t had a chance to delete or disconnect that little battery yet this week.

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[KCSgtMaj]

ESS was never a mandate, but manufacturers were still incentivised to include that technology in their vehicles. The problem is there's likely not going to be a requirement or even incentive to actually change that feature, so the odds of manufacturers now spending money to change or remove ESS is petty low as well. The only way it gets removed or changed is if the market decides that for them.

I disagree, if the government says you have to meet X standard or we will fine the heck out of you and the only way to meet X is to implement ESS then it’s a mandate. The argument that has been made that it can save 7%-20% in fuel costs is rediculous because it depends on driving habits. If the government wants to limit greenhouse gasses in automobiles across the board that have significant impact by burning less fuel then lower the speed limits on interstates and highways. Less throttle more savings.

 

[GabeBoyTheGreat]

I disagree, if the government says you have to meet X standard or we will fine the heck out of you and the only way to meet X is to implement ESS then it’s a mandate. The argument that has been made that it can save 7%-20% in fuel costs is rediculous because it depends on driving habits. If the government wants to limit greenhouse gasses in automobiles across the board that have significant impact by burning less fuel then lower the speed limits on interstates and highways. Less throttle more savings.

Keep in mind that there are people who will say things aren't "mandates" while failing to identify what they define as a "mandate." It is just a word game to downplay the situation, but the result is the same: we are all stuck with this annoying ESS feature that is a direct result of the EPA. That is an undeniable fact.

 

[GabeBoyTheGreat]

In general I am not a fan of rolling back environmental regulations but would love to at least see the ESS button be able to remember your last setting without needing to use the tazer etc.

Remember, just because the government regulates something, doesn't mean that thing is inherently "good." If you truly cared about the environment, then you would be anti-CAFE regulations, because the result of CAFE regulations has been that vehicles have become, in general, bigger, heavier, and less efficient.

So you can roll back regulations while still supporting the environment. The two are not mutually exclusive.

That being said, no regulation is being rolled back here. The likely outcome here is that ESS will remain but will be less annoying. The people who want it/use it will still want it/use it, and the people who don't won't. All that changes is the annoyance factor.

Actually, if anything, this would be an improvement for the environment because lots of times, myself and others forget to turn off ESS until the first shut-off. So what happens is I turn it off within seconds of the engine shutting off, which uses more fuel than just leaving the engine idling.

Additionally, do you really think that adding an additional AUX battery that fails after 2 years that causes the primary battery to fail prematurely is somehow beneficial for the environment? Replacing 1 battery every 7-8 years vs. replacing 2 batteries every 3-4 years?

 

[Pismo61]

Ok, here we go. Will the reversal of many EPA regulations finally kill the mandatory ESS, and if so will dealerships be able to turn off the ESS function?

Ready, GO!

For an inflated fee.

 

[KCSgtMaj]

For an inflated fee.

Or they could just OTA the change to me, I’ll take that.

 

[Pismo61]

Or they could just OTA the change to me, I’ll take that.

Too simple,they wont do that.

 

[Dusty Dude]

If the government wants to limit greenhouse gasses in automobiles across the board that have significant impact by burning less fuel then lower the speed limits on interstates and highways. Less throttle more savings.

An even better alternative would be to stop putting ethanol in fuel. The MPG loss plus the amount of fuel used /pollution created in making the ethanol is crazy. It also wastes a huge amount of ground water.

 

[ScotM]

no guns?

I have a replica light saber and some tequila.

 

[Twisted10]

I have a replica light saber and some tequila.

In california?

 

[ScotM]

In california?

Sunny San Diego

 

[jharp]

I'll go on record of saying I hope Jeep doesn't eliminate ESS from future platforms.

I do believe they will, however, if the incentive goes away. It costs money to put it in, more robust starters, extra batteries, relays, wire, fuses, buttons.

Auto manufacturers would eliminate seats and steering wheels if they could get away with it. What's the point of giving us more robust starting systems if they don't get some sort of return on that?

I personally do not like ESS, and I use Tazer to make it go away. But, I appreciate that the starter, flywheel and electrical systems on our rigs are built to handle it. If it gets eliminated, we can expect lighter flywheels, and less robust starters - that's the natural order of things.

I would love if the ESS would remember what you set it to, but as has been mentioned, Tazer handles that (and many other things) nicely for me.

 

[2nd 392]

An even better alternative would be to stop putting ethanol in fuel. The MPG loss plus the amount of fuel used /pollution created in making the ethanol is crazy. It also wastes a huge amount of ground water.

Ohh no, you must be wrong. Heck, Ca recently approved 15% alcohol “So we can enjoy it’s benefits” .
How many grades are stations set up for ?
I’m sure new tanks, pipes, and pumps will be installed so it will be “in addition too” , not “instead of” the now 10%.

 

[azjl#3]

Keep in mind that there are people who will say things aren't "mandates" while failing to identify what they define as a "mandate." It is just a word game to downplay the situation, but the result is the same: we are all stuck with this annoying ESS feature that is a direct result of the EPA. That is an undeniable fact.

Be clear, ess was not the mandate, mpg was, they got 1mpg toward the mandate, meaning they didn't have to improve mpg

 

[yokramer]

Keep in mind that there are people who will say things aren't "mandates" while failing to identify what they define as a "mandate." It is just a word game to downplay the situation, but the result is the same: we are all stuck with this annoying ESS feature that is a direct result of the EPA. That is an undeniable fact.

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