EPA Rules Rebuke... ESS dead?

[GabeBoyTheGreat]

ESS was never a mandate, but manufacturers were still incentivised to include that technology in their vehicles. The problem is there's likely not going to be a requirement or even incentive to actually change that feature, so the odds of manufacturers now spending money to change or remove ESS is petty low as well. The only way it gets removed or changed is if the market decides that for them.

I think you misunderstand. A simple software update to remember the last known setting is all it would take to satisfy the concerns. If the feds relax the incentive requirements to still allow the "credits" then it is a no-brainer. You would likely still see vehicles equipped with ESS but with better software.

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[GabeBoyTheGreat]

for a hefty fee

Re-flash costs 1 hr of labor. I would (begrudgingly) pay that to have the software updated to remember the last known setting. If anything, auto manufacturers would be stupid NOT to implement this. It is basically free money for them.

 

[pablo_max3045]

Does this mean that VW can sue the US to get that diesel gate money back?

 

[yokramer]

Does this mean that VW can sue the US to get that diesel gate money back?

 

[Mocopo]

I think you misunderstand. A simple software update to remember the last known setting is all it would take to satisfy the concerns. If the feds relax the incentive requirements to still allow the "credits" then it is a no-brainer. You would likely still see vehicles equipped with ESS but with better software.

I wish I misunderstood. This is an area where I just hope I get proven wrong and stellantis, among other automakers, will decide it is worth ANY money to add the feature to remember the last setting.

And you're thinking too simple with the "one hour of labor" justification. This change will likely cost 10s of thousands of dollars to implement at a minimum. Any company who makes these changes properly will have change review boards, development and testing stages, scheduled service windows, roll back plans, and we don't know their cost model for pushing over the air updates, that could add a significant amount as well. Out of cycle updates could be expensive. Not to mention the cost to have a dozen C suite individuals address this issue in a meeting and make a decision to change to begin with.

 

[alphawolff]

ESS was never a mandate, but manufacturers were still incentivised to include that technology in their vehicles. The problem is there's likely not going to be a requirement or even incentive to actually change that feature, so the odds of manufacturers now spending money to change or remove ESS is petty low as well. The only way it gets removed or changed is if the market decides that for them.

At least for stellantis the existence of a dual battery S/S system has caused untold millions in warranty claims. It is *very* clear that the paltry amount of engineering/tooling expense required to delete ESS from the production line will save a significant amount of money down the line.

All it takes is someone high up at corporate who actually gives a fuck to reach that realization.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the entire expense is less than a single week of stop/start related warranty claims. Every set of batteries is $1000+ warranty cost, and we do lots. Not including rentals, tows, or other common required warranty expenses.

 

[ScotM]

I think the only option here is to stock pile MREs, gold and respirators.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Stellantis (and all other manufacturers) have no incentive to provide anything for a vehicle they've already sold. So don't hold your breath.

They will probably remove it from future vehicles because everyone else will.

 

[DylanM]

I think the only option here is to stock pile MREs, gold and respirators.

Don't forget the toilet paper. Lots and lots of toilet paper.

 

[ScotM]

In all seriousness, it might be nice to have the manufacturers actually be able to make a reliable engine. The current technology is tweaked so far that everything breaks , and reliability is terrible. With that said, we need to make sure our grandchildren can freakin breath, and global warming doesn’t cause us to go extinct. I’ve got 10 years left maybe. But I still care about the future of generations to come. Not so sure about our current administration/ sorry / politics

 

[grimmjeeper]

Don't forget the toilet paper. Lots and lots of toilet paper.

 

[vetygud]

Maybe they’ll drop the crappy Aux battery.

That would fix a few problems .

 

[Prot]

In all seriousness, it might be nice to have the manufacturers actually be able to make a reliable engine. The current technology is tweaked so far that everything breaks , and reliability is terrible. With that said, we need to make sure our grandchildren can freakin breath, and global warming doesn’t cause us to go extinct. I’ve got 10 years left maybe. But I still care about the future of generations to come. Not so sure about our current administration/ sorry / politics

One of the things that burns my ass is when people “apologize” for something that they are about to do. If you would be sincere there would be no need for an apology because you would not do the bad thing to begin with.

 

[KCSgtMaj]

At least for stellantis the existence of a dual battery S/S system has caused untold millions in warranty claims. It is *very* clear that the paltry amount of engineering/tooling expense required to delete ESS from the production line will save a significant amount of money down the line.

All it takes is someone high up at corporate who actually gives a fuck to reach that realization.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the entire expense is less than a single week of stop/start related warranty claims. Every set of batteries is $1000+ warranty cost, and we do lots. Not including rentals, tows, or other common required warranty expenses.

This Response makes the most sense, therefore Stellantis will not do it. Is it really as simple as turning a switch off in the programming? Probably, just change a 1 to a 0.

 

[Twisted10]

I think the only option here is to stock pile MREs, gold and respirators.

no guns?

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